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it was about one human through government controlling another human.....they just happened to be black/white....
go ahead and remove race from the equation and the same fu(king equation exists now, only with different labels and 'values'....
I ask, is a rich black man abhorred by those who demonize 'rich' people?????
Box, you would make a great 5th grader

Suggest you should go back and see where you were when History class discussed the Civil War.
You obviously were absent or asleep. My teacher made a point of showing how slavery may have been an underlying issue
and that most people believe the war was about slavery, but that secession was the cause of the war and main issue.
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The burning issue that led to the disruption of the union, however, was the debate over the future of slavery. That dispute led to secession, and secession brought about a war in which the Northern and Western states and territories fought to preserve the Union, and the South fought to establish Southern independence as a new confederation of states under its own constitution.
http://www.historynet.com/causes-of-the-civil-war


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The Civil War Was Fought Over SLAVERY



Yes, we know.  Lincoln was perfectly fine with secession of the confederate states, as long as those confederate states stopped the practice of slavery.  Lincoln was very principled, he wasn't concerned about controlling those states(territories) he just wanted to end slavery.


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Yes, we know.  Lincoln was perfectly fine with secession of the confederate states, as long as those confederate states stopped the practice of slavery.  Lincoln was very principled, he wasn't concerned about controlling those states(territories) he just wanted to end slavery.

I wonder if it's a learning disability... Maybe I've treated Cicero unfairly.  Maybe the reason he
never "gets it" is a mental deficiency.  

Sorry Cissy.  


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Suggest you should go back and see where you were when History class discussed the Civil War.
You obviously were absent or asleep. My teacher made a point of showing how slavery may have been an underlying issue
and that most people believe the war was about slavery, but that secession was the cause of the war and main issue.


you and I agree....the secession was wanted because it was an argument over where the central control would be set up

that control would be over EVERYONE......yes, slavery was an underlying cause but the no one really cared about slaves, they
were a pawn to divert the attention away from the fight over the 'central power'


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

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I wonder if it's a learning disability... Maybe I've treated Cicero unfairly.  Maybe the reason he
never "gets it" is a mental deficiency.  

Sorry Cissy.  


No, I get it...Lincoln didn't care if the confederate states seceded, as long as the confederate states promised to emancipate the slaves.  The war between the states had little to do with the federal government maintaining control over the territory and resources of the confederate states.


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No, I get it...Lincoln didn't care if the confederate states seceded, as long as the confederate states promised to emancipate the slaves.  The war between the states had little to do with the federal government maintaining control over the territory and resources of the confederate states.


Again... I apologize.  I'm sorry about your learning disability.


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Again... I apologize.  I'm sorry about your learning disability.


Apologize for what?  I agree with you.  Jefferson Davis should have emancipated the slaves in the confederate states and Lincoln would have allowed peaceful secession.  Lincoln wouldn't have had to wage a war to free the slaves.


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Apologize for what?  I agree with you.  Jefferson Davis should have emancipated the slaves in the confederate states and Lincoln would have allowed peaceful secession.  Lincoln wouldn't have had to wage a war to free the slaves.
Really Sissy....Bumble always says "you can't make this stuff up"...but you just did!
Where is historical data showing that Lincoln would have allowed them to secede?
You still think it was to "free the slaves"...go back to school and see if you can finally
get that GED you keep failing.
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Lincoln on Secession
Soon after Abraham Lincoln was elected to the presidency in November 1860, seven southern states seceded from the Union. In March 1861, after he was inaugurated as the 16th President of the United States, four more followed.

The secessionists claimed that according to the Constitution every state had the right to leave the Union. Lincoln claimed that they did not have that right. He opposed secession for these reasons:

1. Physically the states cannot separate.
2. Secession is unlawful.
3. A government that allows secession will disintegrate into anarchy.
4. That Americans are not enemies, but friends.
5. Secession would destroy the world's only existing democracy, and prove for all time, to future Americans and to the world, that a government of the people cannot survive.

Lincoln may have thought the fifth point was the most important. If you traveled the earth in 1860, and visited every continent and every nation, you would have found many examples of monarchies, dictatorships, and other examples of authoritarian rule. But in the all the world, you would have found only one major democracy: The United States of America. Democracy had been attempted in one other nation in the eighteenth century - France. Unfortunately, that experiment in self-government deteriorated rapidly, as the citizens resorted more to the guillotine than to the ballot box. From the ashes of that experiment in self-government, rose a dictator who, after seizing control in France, attempted to conquer the continent of Europe.

Those who supported monarchies felt vindicated by the French disaster, but the United States experiment in self-government remained a thorn in their side. Those wishing for democracy could always point across the ocean and say, "It works there. Why can't we try it here"? In 1860 however, it appeared that the thorn had been removed. The monarchists were thrilled with the dissolution of the United States, and many even held parties celebrating the end of democracy.

Lincoln understood this well, and when he described his nation as "the world's last best hope," these were not idle words. Lincoln truly believed that if the war were lost, it would not only have been the end of his political career, or that of his party, or even the end of his nation. He believed that if the war were lost, it would have forever ended the hope of people everywhere for a democratic form of government.

Listed below are some of the comments that Lincoln made against secession.

PHYSICALLY WE CANNOT SEPARATE
SECESSION IS UNLAWFUL
SECESSION EQUALS ANARCHY
WE ARE FRIENDS
SECESSION WILL DESTROY DEMOCRACY

http://www.nps.gov/liho/learn/historyculture/secessiontableofcontents.htm


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Apologize for what?  I agree with you.  Jefferson Davis should have emancipated the slaves in the confederate states and Lincoln would have allowed peaceful secession.  Lincoln wouldn't have had to wage a war to free the slaves.


Again... I didn't realize your obsessive/compulsive disorder kept you from comprehending the
issues.  
Don't let your disability get the better of you.  Keep trying! Even though you consistently fail...
you may some day get it right.
My best to you.


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South Carolina Residents Turn Against The Confederate Flag



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Remember the armed RedNeck @ssholes who did their best to destroy a black child's birthday party???



Guess What...
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A DOUGLASVILLE Ga grand jury indicts 15 on gang terrorism charges
for parading Confederate flags through black child’s party.


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According to Atlanta’s Fox 5 News, Douglas County District Attorney Brian Fortner
announced the indictments on Monday against members of a pro-Confederate organization
called Respect the Flag.

Fortner said the men of Respect the Flag outfitted their vehicles with oversized Confederate
flags and drove around the community. The group entered a predominantly black neighborhood
and pulled up to a house where residents were celebrating a child’s birthday. The men harassed
and threatened the guests, saying they would “kill y’all ni**ers.”


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An historian explains why people like Ron Paul (& Cicero)
falsely believe slavery wasn’t the cause of the Civil War



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I always begin the semester by showing my classes a clip of Ron Paul giving a lecture on the origins
of the Civil War. To sum up this lengthy talk, he is advocating that the Civil War was fought solely based on
state’s rights issues, little to do with slavery. That being said, today nearly all scholars would argue that this
belief is a complete fallacy. The catalyst for the Civil War was one hundred percent based on the issue of slavery,
more specifically the expansion of such. However, the more imperative issue I try to convey to my students is
who wrote such a narrative that made its way into our country’s story and there became taken as truth?


http://www.rawstory.com/2015/1.....se-of-the-civil-war/


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slavery was used as a catalyst to make a divide so that it was easier to uphold the idealism of THESE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA...

I'm not agreeing with slavery but it's rulership 101......divide and conquer using human idealism as a wedge


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

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Anonymous Vows To Unhood 1,000 Ku Klux Klan Members
The hacktivist collective says it will release the identities around the anniversary of the Ferguson protests.

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In November of last year, Anonymous members launched Operation KKK, or #OpKKK,
after a chapter of the KKK reportedly threatened to use "lethal force" against people protesting
the killing of unarmed teenager Michael Brown by a police officer in Ferguson, Missouri.
On Tuesday, Operation KKK released a new message to the hate group: It's vowing to publicly
release the identities of up to 1,000 KKK members "around the one year anniversary of #OpKKK."



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