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...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


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kinda sounds like the flooding that happened in the junction when the government failed to lower the water levels for fear of
NYC losing electricity for a little while, so they screwed 'the hicks'.....

the water goes up the water goes down
the money goes up the money goes down




...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

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Luv it.... SENDERS quotes SENDERS....and I'll be damned if
anyone can understand what it means!


JUST BECAUSE SISSY SAYS SO DOESN'T MAKE IT SO...BUT HE THINKS IT DOES!!!!!  
JUST BECAUSE MC1 SAYS SO DOESN'T MAKE IT SO!!!!!  
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Luv it.... SENDERS quotes SENDERS....and I'll be damned if
anyone can understand what it means!


really....you didn't know the reason why the junction flooded was because NYPA decided to keep the water levels
higher so that NYC wouldn't have so much trouble and their lights would stay on.....

Mayor Stratton who took an appointed position for the canal way was quoted as saying 'the water goes up and the water goes
down'......


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


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SCHOHARIE — More than 15 months after floodwaters from Hurricane Irene swept through Schoharie Valley, lawsuits are pending in Schoharie County Supreme Court filed by communities, businesses and property owners in the region seeking more than $115 million from New York City agencies that maintain Gilboa Dam, its reservoirs and a hydroelectric facility on Schoharie Creek.

The plaintiffs claim that the New York Power Authority and the New York City Department of Environmental Protection should have taken preventative measures that would have diminished the catastrophic fallout from the storm, which crushed villages and towns along Schoharie Creek on Aug. 28, 2011.

The lawsuits underscore longstanding tensions between the New York City agencies and residents who live just upstream from Gilboa Dam, many of whom have claimed for years that the DEP and NYPA undermine residents' wellbeing for the sake of their businesses.

"Did the DEP and the NYPA do everything they could have?" asked Assemblyman Pete Lopez, R-Schoharie, who is not involved in the lawsuits, but has worked extensively with city officials and those within his district on flood control. "I'm not here to cast stones, but having a resolution on this is entirely necessary."


NYPA, which runs the Blenheim-Gilboa Pumped Storage Power Project, a hydroelectric plant downstream from the dam, is subject to the bulk of the claims.

In one suit, Nickerson Park Campground Inc., a campsite just north of the hydroelectric plant, is seeking a combined $10 million in damages from NYPA. In another suit, the county, town and village of Schoharie, the town of Blenheim, town and village of Esperance, town of Fulton, town and village of Middleburgh and the Middleburgh Central School District are jointly suing NYPA for $100 million, or $10 million each.

Five property owners in Schoharie and nearby Central Bridge are seeking a combined $2.6 million from both NYPA and DEP, which maintains the Gilboa Dam. In those filings, the owners claim damages to their properties were "a result of negligence, recklessness, trespass, culpable conduct, misfeasance, lack of care and breach of duty on part" of NYPA and DEP. They claim the agencies owe millions in compensation for "property damage, loss of use, loss of income and devaluation" to their properties.

The two civil suits against NYPA on behalf of Nickerson Campground and the municipalities are similarly worded to the property owners' suits, but detail how they believe the power authority should have taken safeguards before and during Irene. Among other claims, the complaints say NYPA should have lowered water levels in its upper reservoir and released excess water downstream. The complaints say NYPA had ample warning of the storm's potential impact from the National Weather Service.

In November, NYPA responded to each of those lawsuits, which were filed in late August, by denying each accusation that alleged culpability in storm-related damages. One portion of NYPA's response reads, "Plantiffs' alleged damages, if any, were caused by an act of nature and/or an act of God."

Officials of DEP, which was sued by the property owners in late November, said they would not comment on pending litigation.

Lopez, whose district includes the areas most ravaged by Irene, said there has been a lasting debate between residents in Schoharie Valley and the New York City agencies on how DEP and NYPA should balance the needs of their customers and the safety of residents in the valley.

"The role of each must include flood control as part of their mission," Lopez said. "And each has previously maintained that flood control has not been their mission or their responsibility."

Lopez said, however, that significant headway was made before Hurricane Sandy in October, when NYPA agreed to drop water levels in its reservoirs before the storm.

The Blenheim-Gilboa Pumped Storage Power Project uses two 5-billion gallon reservoirs and turbines to generate electricity. Those reservoirs are buttressed by Gilboa Dam, which provides drinking water to New York City.

"I fully understand and agree to have independent review of their actions. It's in everybody's interest to have peace of mind," said Lopez, who lives just off Main Street in Schoharie. "My whole community — my neighbors, my children, my parents — were all at risk and suffered emotionally and financially. We want closure."

Couch White LLC filed the two lawsuits against NYPA on behalf the municipalities and Nickerson Campground. Michael Wallender, the Couch White attorney listed on both suits, did not return messages seeking comment.

John Seebold filed suits on behalf of the property owners against DEP and NYPA. He did not return phone messages.

Floyd A. Guernsey III, one of the property owners named in both of Seebold's suits, is seeking a combined $1.05 million for damages and loss of use to his family-owned Guernsey's Schoharie Nurseries on Bridge Street and his rental property on Grand Street.

Guernsey said his family's 123-year-old nursery suffered $500,000 in damages alone after it was slammed by 9 feet of water from the Schoharie Creek.

"I think they could have had everything lowered and the water level quickly would have dropped down," Guernsey said of the reservoirs. "They could have done more."


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

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The current director of the New York State Canal Corporation is Brian Stratton, who was appointed to the position by Governor Andrew Cuomo in the Spring of 2011.


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

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I'm an elephant


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


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I'm an elephant


Scared of mice eh?


"I saw the best minds of my generation destroyed by madness, starving
               hysterical naked,
dragging themselves through the negro streets at dawn looking for
               an angry fix,"


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Scared of mice eh?


nope......afraid of  'lack of knowledge'

.......dig dig dig dig dig........connect the dots.....

elephants are more human than humans.....and work harder.....guess I'm an elephant


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


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how much water does a casino need????

enough for the towns to cough up some 'water protection $'


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


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Hey....did the casino get it's license yet?
Maybe they did....just didn't hear.


When the INSANE are running the ASYLUM
In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche


“How fortunate for those in power that people never think.”
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Plan to combine Albany, Schenectady chambers met with concern
Councilwoman: Schenectady firms need ‘direct champion’
By Bethany Bump March 5, 2015
Phillip Morris, CEO of Proctors, left, and Ryan Watroba discuss a video that the Albany-Colonie Regional Chamber of Commerce and Chamber of Schenectady County will use to promote the region in an event at the GE Theatre January 28, 2015.
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Phillip Morris, CEO of Proctors, left, and Ryan Watroba discuss a video that the Albany-Colonie Regional Chamber of Commerce and Chamber of Schenectady County will use to promote the region in an event at the GE Theatre January 28, 2015.
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ALBANY AND SCHENECTADY COUNTIES — As the boards of the Schenectady and Albany chambers of commerce prepare to vote on whether to combine membership and staff under a new umbrella corporation, fresh concerns are being raised about small business interests in Schenectady.

Schenectady City Councilwoman Leesa Perazzo is worried that a corporate affiliation between the Chamber of Schenectady County and the Albany-Colonie Regional Chamber could leave small Schenectady businesses without a strong advocate.

“I feel as if the regional approach is often extremely important,” she said. “We talk about sharing services all the time. It’s very valuable. But I also feel like chambers are very personal things and are made up of a lot of small community businesses that need a direct champion for them.”

The two chambers announced last fall that they had formed a joint task force to review issues surrounding an integrated corporate structure. Essentially, the two chambers would retain their local offices and identities, but merge staff and membership under a new umbrella corporation designed to advance regional interests. The hope is that other area chambers might consider joining in the future.

It would be the first chamber affiliation of its kind in the region, giving each chamber “the best of both worlds” by retaining local advocacy but allowing members access to expanded resources, stronger advocacy clout and a larger network of potential customers and vendors, chamber leadership said.

But Perazzo said now might not be the time for Schenectady’s chamber to join with such a large organization. Schenectady’s chamber serves more than 1,000 businesses with 50,000 employees. Albany-Colonie’s chamber — which has long acted as a regional entity in mission, membership and board composition — serves 2,400 members that employ more than 110,000 workers across the region. A handful of small, exclusive chambers exist throughout Albany County representing the towns of Bethlehem, Colonie and Guilderland.

“If I heard that some of the smaller chambers within Albany County were going to integrate into the Albany-Colonie chamber, that would make perfect sense to me,” Perazzo said. “But Schenectady has such an amazing amount of economic development and business growth, I just can’t make the connection. They say we won’t lose our identity, but I just have a lot of concerns. I think we’re a strong and vibrant community and there’s absolutely no reason that we should be integrating our chamber into another chamber.”

The task force formed last fall has spent a lot of time reassuring businesses from both communities that the affiliation won’t result in weakened local representation, said Jim Connolly, chairman of the Schenectady chamber’s board of directors. On the contrary, he said, local business interests can be much better served by regional advocacy.

“Have we heard some concerns? Definitely,” he said. “But there are also a lot of people who think there’s an awful lot of benefit that can come out of this. Our members consistently say they need more opportunities to advance their business and to grow, and they’re conducting business in a regional economy, not just a local one. Their success is not confined by Schenectady’s economy alone.”

He pointed to two prominent examples of regional alliances that are paying off: a new alliance between Ellis Medicine and St. Peter’s Health Partners; and a decades-old alliance among Albany, Schenectady and Troy YMCAs.

The Schenectady and Albany hospital systems formed an alliance last year, when Connolly was still president and CEO of Ellis Medicine, that led to the formation of the region’s first Accountable Care Organization and will allow providers to capture Medicare savings.

In 1990, the Albany, Troy and Schenectady YMCAs merged to form the Capital District YMCA, which eventually expanded into the suburbs and today stretches from Lake George south to Greene County with membership around 90,000.

“Everybody still feels like their local YMCA is their YMCA, there to serve their immediate community,” Connolly said. “That’s one of the models we were thinking of when we explored this. Change, any kind of change, is difficult for people. It’s unsettling. But I would say our region’s recent history suggests good things can come out of collaboration and integration.”

CDPHP President and CEO John Bennett, who chairs the Albany-Colonie Chamber board of directors, said the proposed business model in no way shortchanges Schenectady or Albany interests. Of the concerns he’s heard so far, almost all of them revolve around retaining the “local flavor” of each chamber, he said.

“The real value of this is the added value,” he said. “People are not losing their chamber. Their chamber is staying. They’re gaining combined efforts to enhance both organizations and enhance the region as a whole. These two communities are not in conflict. To think you’ll grow Schenectady at the expense of Albany or you’ll grow Albany at the expense of Schenectady is a fallacious argument.”

One issue that remains unresolved is just what the new chamber’s governance structure would look like. The task force charged with exploring the matter will recommend members of the founding board of directors and officers for the initial year of operation. Currently, the proposition on the table is for seven members representing Schenectady County and seven members representing Albany-Colonie, with 18 at-large members.

It’s these at-large members Perazzo is worried about. The councilwoman owned and operated a Schenectady restaurant in the 1990s that benefited greatly from local chamber support, she said. She later went on to work for the chamber, in workforce development, business advocacy and public affairs roles.

“We don’t know who those 18 members would be,” she said. “But when I think of seven Schenectady members trying to have influence over 25 board members when there’s a big decision on the table, I worry.”

The task force — made up of equal members from both boards — made a formal recommendation last month that the chambers integrate. The next step is for the boards of each chamber to vote and then the membership of each chamber to vote. Without approval from the membership, the affiliation won’t happen.

The board votes, set to happen this month, have been postponed another month to give members more time to ask questions and get answers, Connolly said.


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the 'combined' chambers would turn into the UN.....


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