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| The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.
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| 55tbird |
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George Tenet on 60 minutes:
"Listen To Me. We Don't Torture People!"
In the next breath, Tenet justifies his torture of prisioners:
"It's post 911
I've got reports of nuclear weapons in NYC,
Apartment buildings that are going to be blown up,
Planes that are going to be flown into airports all over again,"
Etc etc etc...
I saw that too, but that doesn't answer my questions... Did we get ANY substantive info from those techniques? Was Congress and the WH informed of those techniques? Feinstein says no, Tenet and his deputy say yes. If Feinstein and the Dems are not hiding anything, then ask Tenet and his deputy for specifics and declassify it.... It's not my job to read the 6000 page report, it's the medias... it's also their job to find the total truth... |
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| Box A Rox |
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| The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
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| Box A Rox |
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| The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
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| Box A Rox |
| December 10, 2014, 9:02am |
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The Committee makes the following findings and conclusions:
3. The interrogations of CIA detainees were brutal and far worse
than the CIA represented to policymakers and others.
(Page 12 The Senate Committee’s Report on the C.I.A.’s Use of Torture) |
| The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
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| 55tbird |
| December 10, 2014, 9:04am |
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The Committee makes the following findings and conclusions:
1. The CIA's use of it's enhanced interrogation techniques was not an
effective means of acquiring intelligence or gaining cooperation from detainees.(Page 11 The Senate Committee’s Report on the C.I.A.’s Use of Torture) http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2014/12/09/world/cia-torture-report-document.html?_r=0
First, the report comes from a Democratic controlled Senate committee.regardless of who controls the committee, there's a political spin on everything. Second, Feinstein said flat out in a TV interview that NO substantial information was derived from these techniques...the report says it was not effective..effective can be a very vague term... Tenet and his deputy say there was useful information gleaned from it.. Simple solution to prove who's right... ask Tenet et al for specifics and declassify if it exists... |
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| Box A Rox |
| December 10, 2014, 9:07am |
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Senate Report Says CIA Torture Produced No Actionable Intelligence |
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| 55tbird |
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Senate Report Says CIA Torture Produced No Actionable Intelligence
The Senate report is equivalent to the prosecutor and the CIA is equivalent to the defendant. To not consider and investigate the defendants claims ranges from being intellectually lazy to having political apathy... |
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| bumblethru |
| December 10, 2014, 9:17am |
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Oh brother....here they go again....GOV ALMIGHTY that is.
We tortured forever and will continue to.
We kill the innocent with drones & will continue to.
We kill unarmed American citizens and will continue to.
We kill without due process and will continue to.
...........it's the American way!!!
Crimes against humanity....and only in America do we get away with it!
Can't waste my time on this bullsh!t.
this too will become just a blurb in the LAME STREAM MEDIA! |
| When the INSANE are running the ASYLUM
In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche “How fortunate for those in power that people never think.”
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| Box A Rox |
| December 10, 2014, 9:19am |
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The Senate report says:
Quoted Text
"Contrary to CIA representations, there are no CIA records to support the assertion that
Abu Zubaydah, Ramzi bin al-Shibh, or any other CIA detainee played any role in the 'the
planning and execution of the operation that captured Khalid Sheikh Mohammed.'"
It was a CIA informant, referred to in the report as Asset X, who provided the information.
In the report, the CIA officer who handled Asset X says it "was a [human intelligence operation]
pretty much from start to finish."
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| BuckStrider |
| December 10, 2014, 9:35am |
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Here's four things we learned from the Democrat CIA torture report:
(1) CIA torture did not work.
(2) The CIA lied about what it was doing and whether it was working.
(3) The CIA did a terrible job running its torture program.
(4) The CIA also lied about the brutality of its methodshttps://www.documentcloud.org/documents/1376736-release-final.html
Fixed that for you Boxy and here's four more things.... (1) In the days after 9/11, something had to be done. (2) Nobody has ever been arrested or convicted because no laws were broken. (3) Feinstein was part of the 'Gang of 8' and had no problem with what was going down. (4) Nobody talked to the CIA. |
|  "Approval ratings go up and down for various reasons... An example is the high post 911 support for
GWB even though he could be said to be responsible for the event." --- Box A Rox '9/11 Truther'
Melania is a bimbo... she is there to look at, not to listen to. --- Box A Rox and his 'War on Women' |
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| joebxr |
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Oh brother....here they go again....GOV ALMIGHTY that is.
We tortured forever and will continue to.
We kill the innocent with drones & will continue to.
We kill unarmed American citizens and will continue to.
We kill without due process and will continue to.
...........it's the American way!!!
Crimes against humanity....and only in America do we get away with it!
Can't waste my time on this bullsh!t.
this too will become just a blurb in the LAME STREAM MEDIA!
Let me preface with I do not condone nor agree with the handling of prisoners. BUT, per your post, if this is the truth about our country, and if you are fed up with it as you say, then WHY ARE YOU STILL HERE AND HAVEN'T LEFT? |
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JUST BECAUSE MC1 SAYS SO DOESN'T MAKE IT SO!!!!! |
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| Box A Rox |
| December 10, 2014, 9:43am |
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Useful intelligence?
Quoted Text
The committee report concludes that the "enhanced interrogation techniques"
did not provide any worthwhile intelligence.
It also indicates that CIA officers themselves repeatedly questioned whether the
interrogations were useful.
The CIA was getting useful material from more traditional interrogations.
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| CICERO |
| December 10, 2014, 10:09am |
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Let me preface with I do not condone nor agree with the handling of prisoners.
If you don't condone it, what are you doing about it? Voting every 4 years? |
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| joebxr |
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If you don't condone it, what are you doing about it? Voting every 4 years?
What are you doing about it? Bitching about it in cyberspace... not discussing it in public... doing nothing of usefulness... continually whining!!!! |
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