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Box A Rox
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Here's four things we learned from the CIA torture report:

(1) CIA torture did not work.
(2) The CIA lied about what it was doing and whether it was working.
(3) The CIA did a terrible job running its torture program.
(4) The CIA also lied about the brutality of its methods


https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/1376736-release-final.html


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philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

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THEY NEVER HAVE TO TELL THE 'TRUTH'.....and no one would know any different.......UNLESS,,,,UNLESS....----we torture THEM....

OMG...

torturing
maiming
death

sounds like a police action sanctioned by our legislators/leaders/powers....

actually sounds like the kings/queens of old......


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

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The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

John Kenneth Galbraith

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it's funny how this 'comes out' after ferguson and nyc killings......interesting.....


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

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it's funny how this 'comes out' after ferguson and nyc killings......interesting.....

One has nothing to do with the other.
The CIA report was announced several months ago to be released in early DEC.


JUST BECAUSE SISSY SAYS SO DOESN'T MAKE IT SO...BUT HE THINKS IT DOES!!!!!  
JUST BECAUSE MC1 SAYS SO DOESN'T MAKE IT SO!!!!!  
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HEY..........i'm still waiting to hear about isis and ebola!!!!

oh...guess nobody bought those bullsh!t stories.....so now their gonna try the torture thing!!!!

nobody's gonna care about that either!!!

GOV ALMIGHTY and the LAME STREAM MEDIA are gonna have to dream up something else!


When the INSANE are running the ASYLUM
In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche


“How fortunate for those in power that people never think.”
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HEY..........i'm still waiting to hear about isis and ebola!!!!

oh...guess nobody bought those bullsh!t stories.....so now their gonna try the torture thing!!!!

nobody's gonna care about that either!!!

GOV ALMIGHTY and the LAME STREAM MEDIA are gonna have to dream up something else!


wadda you want to hear...both are in the news daily!


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JUST BECAUSE MC1 SAYS SO DOESN'T MAKE IT SO!!!!!  
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Here's four things we learned from the CIA torture report:

(1) CIA torture did not work.
(2) The CIA lied about what it was doing and whether it was working.
(3) The CIA did a terrible job running its torture program.
(4) The CIA also lied about the brutality of its methods


https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/1376736-release-final.html


Who do you think is going to prison box?  Surely Obama and Holder will prosecute the people involved, because truth and justice is the American way.


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Nothing will be done, we just admitted to the world that we did something lousy, but at the same time, will hold no one accountable, but we promise not to do it again, I bet we even pinky promise
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What's the difference?

We blow up entire families with drones.

So a little torture is where we draw the line?

We are way past torture.

We just execute without due process and call ourselves heroes.
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One has nothing to do with the other.
The CIA report was announced several months ago to be released in early DEC.


no kidding.....I'm talking about the 'american conversation'....... it was police brutality and now the
conversation went to CIA brutality....yet the answer from our leaders are:

1. putting that report out will kill Americans/prompt terror attack
2. put body cameras on police to show/prevent brutality

you see, not a one of the elected leaders will say the laws are wrong or that imperialism is wrong.....

they may not have anything to do with each other in the sense of when it happened or who did it, but it has everything to
do with why it was allowed and who allowed it and what is the culture of our nation/elected

imperialism vs police state....I'm not sure there's a difference


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


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Here's four things we learned from the CIA torture report:

(1) CIA torture did not work.
(2) The CIA lied about what it was doing and whether it was working.
(3) The CIA did a terrible job running its torture program.
(4) The CIA also lied about the brutality of its methods


https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/1376736-release-final.html


1. police physical force does not work
2. the police do whatever it takes to uphold the law whether it works or not
3. the police do a terrible job hiding it brutality in the world of mass media
4. the police leadership lie about it methods of acceptable brutality

1. the legislative leaders write/pass laws that do not work
2. the legislative leaders write/pass laws for elections regardless if they work or not
3. the legislative leaders write/pass laws that are terrible but write them to say anything for the mass media
4. the legislative leaders write/pass laws that do not apply to themselves


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

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Quoted from Box A Rox
Here's four things we learned from the CIA torture report:

(1) CIA torture did not work.
(2) The CIA lied about what it was doing and whether it was working.
(3) The CIA did a terrible job running its torture program.
(4) The CIA also lied about the brutality of its methods


https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/1376736-release-final.html


Tenet and his deputy (who now works for CBS news) claim that:

1. Their techniques DID glean useful information
2. Congress and the WH WAS consulted in the beginning and gave approval to these techniques

They claim that this IS listed in the FULL report.

Well, then lets see the FULL report (6000 pages) with classified info redacted and see who's telling the truth...


"Arguing with liberals is like playing chess with a pigeon; no matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock out the pieces, crap on the board, and strut around like it is victorious." - Author Unknown
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Tenet and his deputy (who now works for CBS news) claim that:
1. Their techniques DID glean useful information
2. Congress and the WH WAS consulted in the beginning and gave approval to these techniques
They claim that this IS listed in the FULL report.


George Tenet on 60 minutes:
"Listen To Me.  We Don't Torture People!"
In the next breath, Tenet justifies his torture of prisioners:
"It's post 911
I've got reports of nuclear weapons in NYC,
Apartment buildings that are going to be blown up,
Planes that are going to be flown into airports all over again,"

Etc etc etc...


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

John Kenneth Galbraith

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