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How a New York Times Story Upset the ‘Bush Lied, People Died’ Narrative
Kim Holmes     / @kimsmithholmes / November 01, 2014

Iraq’s chemical weapons are back in the news. The New York Times reported that American troops found roughly 5,000 chemical warheads, shells and aviation bombs since the Iraq War began. Then last week The Washington Post reported the Islamic State terrorist group had used chlorine gas against Iraqi police officers.

What’s going on? We’ve been told “Bush lied” about Iraq having weapons of mass destruction (WMD). Now we learn they’ve been showing up in the thousands and are toxic enough to injure people.

The Times reporter stressed that the discovered items had been manufactured before 1991, arguing that they shouldn’t count as evidence of active WMD programs which the Bush administration had “claimed as an excuse for embarking on the Iraq war.”

However the article failed to mention that the U.N. Security Council was concerned about destroying all Iraqi chemical weapons stocks, regardless of when they were manufactured. The discovery of these weapons proves that Saddam Hussein failed to fulfill his disarmament obligations under multiple U.N. Security Council resolutions.

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And the compliance issue was at the very core of the Bush administration’s case against Iraq at the United Nations.

Saddam used chemical weapons late in the Iran-Iraq war. In March 1988, he used them against his own people, killing up to 5,000 Iraqi Kurds. The U.N. Security Council passed numerous resolutions documenting the legal case against Iraq over WMD. On April 3, 1991, the Security Council passed Resolution 687, requiring Iraq to destroy all of its nuclear, chemical and biological weapons, and missiles that could deliver them. The United Nations Special Commission (UNSCOM) was established to ensure Iraq’s compliance.

Fast-forward to 2002 and U.N. Security Council Resolution 1441, negotiated by the Bush administration. It “deplored” the fact that Iraq still had not provided “accurate, full, final, and complete disclosure” of its weapons programs as required by Resolution 687.

As far as the Security Council was concerned, the main legal question was not whether Iraq’s WMD programs were active — the U.N. knew from previous inspections that Saddam’s WMD program had created an inventory of WMD. The question was what happened to them. The accuracy or verifiability of the U.S. intelligence case about active WMD programs wasn’t of primary importance to the Security Council. Rather, it was “seized” with the issue of Iraqi compliance with many Security Council resolutions, particularly Chapter VII ones.

Even Hans Blix, the head of the United Nations Monitoring, Verification and Inspection Commission that followed UNSCOM, conceded as much. He expressed frustration with Iraq’s failure to account for the vast store of chemical and biological agents it was known to have had. At one point Mr. Blix called the inability to verify all aspects of the WMD program “perhaps the most important problem we are facing.”

It is understandable that the world wanted to know the reliability of U.S. intelligence, but it should not have turned its eye away so quickly from the central issue of Iraqi compliance with international law. Once the war began, it was all about finding active programs — a narrative the Bush administration inexplicably let grow. Forgotten were all those pesky “technical” details about how “serious consequences” would befall Iraq if Saddam did not comply with those Security Council resolutions, which he most assuredly did not.

Which brings us back to The New York Times story. Finding stockpiles of chemical munitions clearly didn’t mesh with the “Bush lied, people died” narrative. The reporter seems to have seized on the 1991 date and the secondary issue of “active” programs to explain it away.

The diplomatic record shows that the U.S. argued at the Security Council that Saddam was in “material breach” of his obligations on inspections. Some of the evidence provided by the U.S. of active programs turned out to be wrong, but the context was to raise questions about what was not known, and thus to drive home the fact that Saddam was not meeting his obligations to the United Nations, something which normally would matter to people who take the U.N.’s every word as gospel.

Originally appeared in The Washington Times.


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From Above:
The Times reporter stressed that the discovered items had been manufactured before 1991,
arguing that they shouldn't count as evidence of active WMD programs which the Bush
administration had “claimed as an excuse for embarking on the Iraq war.”

Of course Saddam had Chemical weapons...(The US Gave Them To Saddam) see pic below:


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Many of Iraq's WMD's were destroyed in a responsible manner.  Others were taken out into the desert and
buried.  The only real danger of these degraded chemical weapons is to the unsuspecting Iraqi who stumbles
upon them.  These weapons have a 'shelf life' and once expired they are unstable and useless as a weapon.


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There were enough chemical weapons around in Iraq to sicken our troops and be used by Saddam on his own people.  And - someday - we will be told the whole truth - that Saddam was actually producing chemical weapons right up to the 2002/2203 and - he was - attempting - to obtain weapons grade uranium to produce a nuclear weapon.

The bottom-line is that Obama, Pelosi, Hillary Clinton, Kerry, Paul Tonko, et al lied and tried to deny that Iraq was a threat  -- either that or they were too ignorant to understand the threat.  Either way, they don't deserve to be holding public offices that make crucial decisions regarding our national security.  


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There were enough chemical weapons around in Iraq to sicken our troops and be used by Saddam on his own people.  And - someday - we will be told the whole truth - that Saddam was actually producing chemical weapons right up to the 2002/2203 and - he was - attempting - to obtain weapons grade uranium to produce a nuclear weapon.





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So what CULT does Obama, Pelosi and Tonko (and their ilk) belong to?    They run around saying that conservatives and anyone who disagrees with them on even one issue is lying.

Oh -- and as for Fox News -- you are probably trying to imply that is where I get my news from or that it is solely where I get my news from.  If that is what you are trying to imply than you are absolutely wrong.  The fact is that I listen to a number of sources -- NPR, C-Span are on most of the time in my car and home .. Fox very rareley actually.   I also read news from a variety of sources online -- AND actually get information from people that I personally know.


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Don't matter..........dem or rep.............we will continue to move in the same direction when it comes to WAR!!!

that is what we (the great u.s.of a) does the best!!!


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