Quoted from bumblethru

AGAIN............calling 'anti-war peace makers'.....HATERS!!!

You just can't make this stuff up!!

You just did!
Being an anti-war peace lover is perfectly acceptable,
and I personally subscribe to that philosophy.
Haters are those that profess to be anti-war but display their
"peace maker" views with words of hatred, disgust,
bias, anger and even "spitting" promises....sorry, that is
HATRED, PURE AND SIMPLE!

Quoted from joebxr

You just did!
Being an anti-war peace lover is perfectly acceptable,
and I personally subscribe to that philosophy.
Haters are those that profess to be anti-war but display their
"peace maker" views with words of hatred, disgust,
bias, anger and even "spitting" promises....sorry, that is
HATRED, PURE AND SIMPLE!

Killing people without even knowing them isn't hate, but telling people it's wrong and displaying disgust of it is hatred.

Calling people haters that speak out against it isn't hate, but harsh words of criticism of hatred is hate.

I understand completely, you homicidal supporter of death.

Quoted from joebxr

Haters are those that profess to be anti-war but display their
"peace maker" views with words of hatred, disgust,
bias, anger and even "spitting" promises....sorry, that is
HATRED, PURE AND SIMPLE!

There are two sides to a conflict.  Would it be unacceptable if these "words of hatred" as you call them, were aimed at Iraqi soldiers, Afghani soldiers, Al Qaeda soldiers, or ISIS soldiers?  How about Nazi soldiers?

That's the problem with this memorial jog.  There is no context, and no room for intellectual curiosity.  Like - why were these men and women killed?  Who wanted to kill them?  How many people did THEY kill before they were killed?  

Quoted from Libertarian4life

Killing people without even knowing them isn't hate, but telling people it's wrong and displaying disgust of it is hatred.

Calling people haters that speak out against it isn't hate, but harsh words of criticism of hatred is hate.

I understand completely, you homicidal supporter of death.

this from THE SPITTER!!!!

Quoted from CICERO

There are two sides to a conflict.  Would it be unacceptable if these "words of hatred" as you call them, were aimed at Iraqi soldiers, Afghani soldiers, Al Qaeda soldiers, or ISIS soldiers?  How about Nazi soldiers?

That's the problem with this memorial jog.  There is no context, and no room for intellectual curiosity.  Like - why were these men and women killed?  Who wanted to kill them?  How many people did THEY kill before they were killed?  

You continue to miss it...not surprised.
Sorry, but I have no interest to play Cissy Straw man games!

Quoted from joebxr

You continue to miss it...not surprised.
Sorry, but I have no interest to play Cissy Straw man games!

Not a straw man.  Just a question.  Are all soldiers created equal?  Or does the patch on the uniform establish who the good guys and bad guys are?  

You miss it.  You just expect honor for US veterans, and exonerated for all atrocities.  And those people that were killed by the hands of US soldiers wiped clean from the public conscience.  The American life is the only life worth memorializing, regardless of their actions that led to their death.  Who cares about the families of the 20 people the soldier shot, because it was a sacrifice, and the people shot dead or bombed were the "bad guys".

Quoted from CICERO

Not a straw man.  Just a question.  Are all soldiers created equal?  Or does the patch on the uniform establish who the good guys and bad guys are?  

You miss it.  You just expect honor for US veterans, and exonerated for all atrocities.  And those people that were killed by the hands of US soldiers wiped clean from the public conscience.  The American life is the only life worth memorializing, regardless of their actions that led to their death.  Who cares about the families of the 20 people the soldier shot, because it was a sacrifice, and the people shot dead or bombed were the "bad guys".

Spin it away from the initial post all you want....
Try figuring it out and you might be shocked at what it
is that you "get", IF you ever figure it out!

I don't know if my feelings qualify as "getting it" or not..


I honor everyone who was served, and especially the ones that have been injured or died.
Besides Marines, Army and Air Force personnel have been among the casualties

What I don't honor are some of the decisions that have been made that directly effect them.
Where we went, why we went, why did we stay so long? Those are decisions at the top..
But decisions farther down that directly put our troops at risk.. from insufficient body armor, to assigning unqualified personnel to Afghan convoys because they were "short staffed".. My son went from turning a wrench to riding in a humvee toting a m-16 that he got less training on than he got in boot camp.

Quoted from 55tbird

I don't know if my feelings qualify as "getting it" or not..


I honor everyone who was served, and especially the ones that have been injured or died.
Besides Marines, Army and Air Force personnel have been among the casualties

What I don't honor are some of the decisions that have been made that directly effect them.
Where we went, why we went, why did we stay so long? Those are decisions at the top..
But decisions farther down that directly put our troops at risk.. from insufficient body armor, to assigning unqualified personnel to Afghan convoys because they were "short staffed".. My son went from turning a wrench to riding in a humvee toting a m-16 that he got less training on than he got in boot camp.

Quoted from joebxr

this from THE SPITTER!!!!

OMG a spitter aimed at those who took part in the killing of a half million civilians in SE Asia.

What a horrible person, expressing his Constitutional rights to object to mass murder.

Baby killing hypocrites are outraged by spitters.

Murder and massaacres are not to be spit at.

They should be honored.

Do you even hear your own words?

I would spit on anyone who supports mass murder.

You would support murder or imprisonment for spitters.

Homicidal self justifying murderers calling typists, haters.

The military must lobotomize soldiers.

Or maybe just massive brain damage from depleted uranium and/or agent orange.

Quoted from 55tbird

I don't know if my feelings qualify as "getting it" or not..


I honor everyone who was served, and especially the ones that have been injured or died.
Besides Marines, Army and Air Force personnel have been among the casualties

What I don't honor are some of the decisions that have been made that directly effect them.
Where we went, why we went, why did we stay so long? Those are decisions at the top..
But decisions farther down that directly put our troops at risk.. from insufficient body armor, to assigning unqualified personnel to Afghan convoys because they were "short staffed".. My son went from turning a wrench to riding in a humvee toting a m-16 that he got less training on than he got in boot camp.

Your argument would exonerate Hitler's driver or Al Capone's secretary.

Aiding and abetting is shared collective guilt.

We are not the world's police.

We are simply trying to micromanage the world using death and destruction as our only tool.

There is absolutely nothing honorable in supporting those who openly murder the innocent and dismiss it as collateral damage.

Quoted from 55tbird

What I don't honor are some of the decisions that have been made that directly effect them.
Where we went, why we went, why did we stay so long? Those are decisions at the top..
But decisions farther down that directly put our troops at risk.. from insufficient body armor, to assigning unqualified personnel to Afghan convoys because they were "short staffed".. My son went from turning a wrench to riding in a humvee toting a m-16 that he got less training on than he got in boot camp.

I guess the simple question is, if you were enlisted while these decisions that you disagree with were made, do you deploy and kill anyways?  

Does the soldier have any responsibility for his/her individual actions?  My position is that they do.  If as box and joebx said in prior posts is true, that soldiers can discern between just and unjust killing and that they are not just order-takers, then soldiers fighting in Iraq(which Box has called an illegal war many times) willingly fought and killed in an illegal war.  I don't recognize superior orders as a defense for participation and atrocities committed in an illegal war of aggression.

Quoted from Libertarian4life

OMG a spitter aimed at those who took part in the killing of a half million civilians in SE Asia.
PROVE I TOOK PART IN ANY KILLING JACKASS!
What a horrible person, expressing his Constitutional rights to object to mass murder.
WHERE DOES THE CONSTITUION GIVE YOU THE RIGHT TO COMMIT BATTERY ON ANYONE BY SPITTING ON THEM JACKASS?
Baby killing hypocrites are outraged by spitters.
ONCE AGAIN, SHOW PROOF THAT I AM GUILTY OF THIS JACKASS!
Do you even hear your own words?
I COMFORTABLY KNOW MY WORDS AND READ YOUR VIAL STUPIDITIY EVERYTIME YOU POST JACKASS!
I would spit on anyone who supports mass murder.
SUCH AN ACTON WOULD RECEIVE A REACTION, JUSTIFABLY JACKASS! I'VE BEEN WAITING!!!!!
You would support murder or imprisonment for spitters.
PHONY WORDS THAT I'VE NEVER EXPRRESSED JACKASS!
Homicidal self justifying murderers calling typists, haters.
YOU MUST JUSTIFY YOUR IGNORANCE SOMEHOW, SPITTER, HATER, JACKASS!!

.....brain damage....
WHAT WAS THE CAUSE OF YOURS JACKASS...OBVIOUSLY PRETTY MASSIVE AND PERMANENT!!

Quoted from CICERO

I guess the simple question is, if you were enlisted while these decisions that you disagree with were made, do you deploy and kill anyways?  

Does the soldier have any responsibility for his/her individual actions?  My position is that they do.  If as box and joebx said in prior posts is true, that soldiers can discern between just and unjust killing and that they are not just order-takers, then soldiers fighting in Iraq(which Box has called an illegal war many times) willingly fought and killed in an illegal war.  I don't recognize superior orders as a defense for participation and atrocities committed in an illegal war of aggression.

There it is....just another stupid meaningless Cissy Wah-wah  straw man!
That's how he "debates" everything. Can't deal with direct discussion, must
spin the direction for his own narrow minded agenda! Cissy games as usual!

Quoted from joebxr

There it is....just another stupid meaningless Cissy Wah-wah  straw man!
That's how he "debates" everything. Can't deal with direct discussion, must
spin the direction for his own narrow minded agenda! Cissy games as usual!

You can't deal with direct questions because you refuse to take a position.  That is your debate strategy, you respond with meaningless responses like people don't "get it".  When somebody starts dismantling what "not getting it" means by asking pointed questions, you run to your ole faithful straw man response.  Yup, cissy games, asking questions to discover what "getting it" actually means.  

But I know you will never "get it".