Box, you probably have over 100 posts trying to convince people that the US is dangerous, filled with unstable people that shoot up schools and movie theaters.  Now you are telling everybody there is nothing to worry about, everything is safe, no need for your guns?  Which is it?  Is it a country filled with gun violence where a mass shooting can happen anytime, or everything is safe, so you don't need a gun to protect yourself?

Quoted from CICERO

Box, you probably have over 100 posts trying to convince people that the US is dangerous, filled with unstable people that shoot up schools and movie theaters.  Now you are telling everybody there is nothing to worry about, everything is safe, no need for your guns?  Which is it?  Is it a country filled with gun violence where a mass shooting can happen anytime, or everything is safe, so you don't need a gun to protect yourself?

Cicero seems incapable of posting with out stating my position in error... It's the only way
he seems to be able to express himself... by misstating my position... then responding to
his misstatement.  
Why not join the group and actually post your opinion with out a straw man???

(Since I've been posting on this board, I've been in favor of a strong 2nd amendment, and
strong gun laws... something that Cicero knows, but refuses to deal with.)

humans do what humans do regardless of open carry or conceal......

the only reason there is NOT open carry is to 'distinguish' those that are 'criminals'.....

because before we couldn't get a Minority Report about who was going to commit a crime against another human.....

it's dumb unfounded logic.....

is police brutality a crime against another human, with or without gun use? does it matter? do we accept it as ok?

when 'policing' other countries it's an open carry as it is in our airports.......

now remember, my disclaimer is that I am NOT a police officer/soldier and nor could I ever be.

Quoted from Box A Rox

Deny what Right??? THE right to terrorize ordinary Americans so that GunHuggers can live
their macho fantasy???

Who is the one "shuddering in fear?  I'm not afraid to walk the isles of Target without a
weapon... But GunHuggers are!

I'm not the one who can't enjoy burger with out an assault weapon and 100 rounds of ammo...
but GunHuggers, driven by FEAR shudder at the thought of a meal with out guns!

I'm not the one who is so fearful of life, that they are willing to terrorize moms with kids shopping in
a mall.

Carrying a gun isn't terrorism genius, it's just your paranoid fear mongering tool to take away people's rights.

If you had been around you would have had the founding fathers weapons seized.

Quoted from Box A Rox

(Since I've been posting on this board, I've been in favor of a strong 2nd amendment, and
strong gun laws... something that Cicero knows, but refuses to deal with.)

Then I'm going to call you out.

No bullshit. No name calling. No insults.

I want you to tell me what this means to you, in your own words.

Quoted Text

A well-regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a Free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

Then I want you to give me your version of what 'strong gun laws' are.

In return, I too will give a comprehensive answer on both of these questions as outlined in the parameters I requested.

Quoted from BuckStrider

Then I'm going to call you out.
No bullshit. No name calling. No insults.

(1) I want you to tell me what this means to you, in your own words.

(2)Then I want you to give me your version of what 'strong gun laws' are.

(3)In return, I too will give a comprehensive answer on both of these questions as outlined in the parameters I requested.

1.  What the 2nd amendment means to me is irrelevant.  I have my opinion, of course, but
my opinion has little to do with the legal definition of it.
(Sorry... still laughing @ "CALL YOU OUT"!  )  

IMO, the 2nd amendment means that citizens have the right to bear arms.  Own and use arms for
hunting or to defend themselves. Of course that isn't an unlimited right.  Federal, State & Local
governments have the right to regulate (infringe) that right where necessary.
Also, GOVERNMENT (state & federal) militias (not private militias) have the right to bear arms in defense
of their country.
The right to bear arms is not an unlimited right... in this I agree with Conservative Supreme Court Justice
Scalia:
"Like most rights, the Second Amendment right is not unlimited. It is not a right to keep and carry
any weapon whatsoever in any manner whatsoever and for whatever purpose".

2. Strong Gun Laws?
~ IMO, A federal law that is similar to NY's pistol permit for the purchase and use of pistols.
This Federal basic law, that then could also be further regulated by state govt where states
feel it necessary.
~ Of course background checks for all guns sold whether private or public sale.
~ A federal registry of all guns from it's manufacture to it's ultimate destruction. (Yea yea yea...
the Right Wing Panic that they will use this registry to "TAKE AWAY OUR GUNS"!  Duhhh.)
~ Federal laws banning sale of weapons across state lines.  
~ States have the right to further regulate weapons beyond the Federal laws and anyone crossing
state lines would be subject to those laws.
~ Minimum age and at least (Federally regulated) minimum training in gun safety and use,  BEFORE
anyone can purchase a gun.
~ Laws keeping guns out of the hands of felons and the mentally ill.  (With protections for privacy while
allowing access to mental records for the purpose of gun ownership)
~ Limiting guns to a "reasonable standard", example banning assault weapons, machine guns, large
capacity magazines... (See Scalia above)
~ Of course there are many more good gun laws, but this is a start.

3. Like my opinion on this subject, except for discussion purposes, I don't care
what your opinion is on the issue... Your opinion is as irrelevant as mine, and has no bearing on
the actual meaning of the law.