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You Bet This Is Swiftboating
By: Ann Coulter
Published June 17, 2014 08:00PM EDT

While the Obama administration tortures the Benghazi raid suspect into a false confession that a YouTube video made him attack our embassy,
let's review what his "capture" is meant to distract us from:

(1) The IRS' Lois Lerner claims her computer crashed, destroying all her emails to the White House, congressional Democrats and the
Department of Justice, at the very height of the IRS' targeting of tea party groups. Six other IRS officials now claim their emails are also
missing. (Have they tried shutting down their computers and restarting?)
Rosemary Woods erased part of a White House tape nearly half a century ago, and Chris Matthews is still talking about it.
(2) Soon after he became president, Obama pulled every last troop out of Iraq, despite the fact that the war was over and we had won.
Now Iraq is on fire, torn apart by terrorist invaders. We still have more than 100,000 troops in defeated Axis powers Germany, Italy and Japan.
But Obama couldn't leave a few troops in Iraq simply to preserve our victory. Now it's gone.
(3) In the worse deal in history, Obama traded five hardened terrorists -- specifically chosen by the Taliban -- for an American
who is a probable deserter.

Don't whine about not "knowing" if Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl was a deserter. It's not a big secret. The Pentagon investigated Bergdahl's disappearance
back in 2010 and concluded that he had walked away from his unit of his own free will. This guy did everything but fill out one of
those "change of address" postcards redirecting his mail to the local Taliban post office.

The left has reacted to the embarrassing truth about Bergdahl by:

(a) Denouncing Republican congressmen who initially posted happy tweets about Bergdahl's release, and then deleted
those tweets -- probably on orders from Fox News!
(b) Accusing Bergdahl's displeased Army comrades of "swiftboating."

Yes, exactly. This is precisely what "swiftboating" is: The truth about a serviceman from the people who actually served
with him. Similarly, the attacks on John Kerry came from the men he served with, not the Republican Party.

To the contrary, John McCain, who never served with Kerry, called the Swiftboat Veterans for Truth "dishonest and dishonorable."
(You nominated him!) President Bush requested that they take their ads off TV.

The only prominent Republican to defend the Swifties was former Sen. Bob Dole -- a genuine World War II hero -- who told CNN:

"One day (Kerry's) saying that we were shooting civilians, cutting off their ears, cutting off their heads, throwing away his
medals or his ribbons. The next day he's standing there, 'I want to be president because I'm a Vietnam veteran.' Maybe he
should apologize to all the other 2.5 million veterans who served. He wasn't the only one in Vietnam."

It is precisely because the truth about Bergdahl didn't come out until after he had been released that Republican members of
Congress initially sent out those "Welcome back!" tweets. They didn't know the truth about Bergdahl, and neither did most people,
until his fellow soldiers spoke up. Even people in his own hometown ended up canceling a Bergdahl homecoming celebration
in response to the accusations of his platoon.

Bergdahl's comeuppance didn't come from some right-wing Wizard of Oz in the fevered brains of MSNBC hosts: It came from
members of Bergdahl's own unit in Afghanistan.

The reason these soldiers hadn't said anything until Bergdahl's release was that, as a condition of leaving Afghanistan, they were
required to sign gag orders prohibiting them from discussing Bergdahl. (It's strange; liberals usually don't like gag orders,
but they don't seem to mind this one.)

After Bergdahl's release -- heralded by a ceremony in the Rose Garden that included a shout-out to the Taliban --
the soldiers decided those agreements were moot.

It apparently never occurred to Obama that the troops Bergdahl abandoned would not be popping champagne corks at the
news of his release. (Nor did it occur to Rolling Stone. The 2012 article about Bergdahl spoke of the "hope" of Bowe's old unit
that "a deal could get done" with the Taliban for his safe return. Remember the good old days when you could get reliable
military intel from a left-wing music magazine written by half-brights?)

Democrats should just stop talking about the military. Whenever they do, they sound like Republican men talking about rape.

Democrat adventures with the military have included that ridiculous photo of little Mike Dukakis in the tank. There was Bill Clinton's
letter explaining that he needed a nuanced way to dodge the draft during Vietnam in order to "maintain my political viability."
We had John Kerry, who thought it would be a great idea to remind Americans that he was the guy who came back and crapped
on his fellow soldiers in Vietnam. John Kerry, reporting for duty.

And now we have Obama, who gazes upon deserter Bowe Bergdahl and thinks his return will be a feel-good American story.

So maybe the guy deserted. Hasn't Obama pushed girls, gays and transgenders on the military? Why the pushback this time?

The Democrats' only concept of how to support the troops is to treat them like their other constituent groups -- single women,
blacks and the poor -- and offer them more government benefits.

I'm fairly certain what the troops would really prefer is to be left alone by liberals.

How about no free college tuition -- and not forcing the military to accept open homosexuality? How about fewer increases in
military pensions -- and no Defense Department-funded transgender operation for gay traitor Bradley Manning? How about
skimping on PTSD therapists -- and no girl generals?

The military doesn't ask for a lot. Soldiers just want to do their job, which is to kill people and break things, not to be
nurturing to women, gays and traitors.
http://www.rr.com/articles/2014/06/17/y/you-bet-this-is-swiftboating
The troops don't complain much, but when they do, there is nothing more devastating than a real "swiftboating."


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The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

John Kenneth Galbraith

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"In the beginning of a change, the Patriot is a scarce man, brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a Patriot."

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I don't think that anyone as anti military as Henry (except his own TeaBagger Military)
would understand the concept of leaving a fellow soldier behind to die.



The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

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I don't think that anyone as anti military as Henry (except his own TeaBagger Military)
would understand the concept of leaving a fellow soldier behind to die.



I guess you don't know of the POWS that were left behind in Vietnam


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I guess you don't know of the POWS that were left behind in Vietnam


No I don't.  Tell me.


MIA's As of 9 May 2014:
World War II: 73,624
Korean War: 7,883
Vietnam War: 1,642

Did you know that there are over a thousand American troops still missing (or bodies not recovered)
ON AMERICAN SOIL from WW2 at Pearl Harbor?


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No I don't.  Tell me.



Over 2500 POW/MIA as of today, yet they left them behind, I guess you don't understand the concept of leaving a fellow soldier behind to die because you and your pals in the government did just that.


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Over 2500 POW/MIA as of today, yet they left them behind, I guess you don't understand the concept of leaving a fellow soldier behind to die because you and your pals in the government did just that.


If you actually followed the MIA issue, you'd know that the number of "missing" is not the number
left behind, just as those "missing" from the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor are not left behind.  
In both cases, their bodies have not been recovered.  

But if you do have any evidence of any US serviceman left behind in Vietnam, I'd like to hear
about it.


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If you actually followed the MIA issue, you'd know that the number of "missing" is not the number
left behind, just as those "missing" from the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor are not left behind.  
In both cases, their bodies have not been recovered.  

But if you do have any evidence of any US serviceman left behind in Vietnam, I'd like to hear
about it.


http://www.whiteoutpress.com/timeless/americans-abandoned-pow-mia-s-in-vietnam694/


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LMAO! Henry!  I asked if you had any "evidence" of Americans left behind... not propaganda from...
who was it you quoted??? Oh yea... "WHITEOUT PRESS"!!!

Again Henry, if you have any 'evidence' of Americans being left behind in Vietnam, I'd like to hear about
it.  

If you really are interested in this issue, you'd already know why so many were listed as "MIA" and
not "missing and presumed dead".
One example... if a pilot was shot down, his plane crashes into the jungle in a ball of fire at over
500MPH, he would be listed as "missing and presumed dead".  His family would be given his
death benefits and the case would be closed.
However, if a pilot were shot down and made a crash landing, or his landing (crash) was not
witnessed by other pilots, he would be listed as MIA, and his family would continue to receive his
paycheck, his medical benefits, housing allowances etc... then when the war is over and a full accounting
is made, (often years or decades later) his family would be given his death benefits.
As a result many pilots would never list a crash as "presumed dead" and the 'myth' of thousands of
POW's was born.


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I give box testimony from congressmen to members of the NSA, yet that isn't good enough for him. He hates the fact our government left CONFIRMED ALIVE POWS overseas. But hey I don't care either way, those are boxes buddies still over there not mine, I just don't have to lie to myself to be able to sleep at night, box as we see does. So yes box please keep telling yourself the last of our men came back during operation homecoming


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I give box testimony from congressmen to members of the NSA, yet that isn't good enough for him.)


You posted an OPINION piece from some lame "we tell the truth" group.  
Again... if you have any "evidence" of American servicemen being left behind, I'd like to see it.


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MIA Facts Site

Purpose of this site

This site is published to provide facts about  the issue of Americans who remain "missing in action" (MIA) from the Vietnam War.  At the conclusion of the Vietnam War,  2,583 Americans did not return.  A vast mythology has built up around what really happened to these individuals.   Misinformation, pseudo-history, and deliberate fabrication are  rampant.  As a result, myths are regularly proclaimed to be fact.  This site destroys those myths.

The Myths:

bullet  Not all US POWs were released by their captors at the end of the Vietnam War.  
bullet The U.S. government knew that all POWs were not released.
bullet U.S. POWs remain in captivity today.
bullet There is a conspiracy within the U. S. government to hide the continued imprisonment of Americans and, whenever the truth emerges, it is debunked.
bullet The U.S. government is doing nothing to account for or recover missing men.


The Facts:
  
bullet  All U.S. POWs captured during the Vietnam War were released, either at Operation Homecoming (spring, 1973) or earlier.    
bullet The only men captured and not released are 113 who died in captivity; their identities and the circumstances of their deaths are known; some of their remains have been recovered/returned..
  
bullet No U. S. prisoners of war have been abandoned by the U. S. government.  
bullet No U.S POWs remained in captivity after the conclusion of Operation Homecoming.
bullet  There is no conspiracy within the U. S. government to conceal the abandonment of prisoners of war (who were not abandoned in the first place).  
  
bullet  No U.S. POWs from Indochina were taken to the Soviet Union, China, or any other third country.  
bullet The U.S. government has been -- since well before the end of the Vietnam War -- exerting all possible efforts to recover or account for missing men.   That effort continues  today and is unprecedented in the history of warfare.

READ ENTIRE ARTICLE HERE: http://www.miafacts.org/


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You posted an OPINION piece from some lame "we tell the truth" group.  
Again... if you have any "evidence" of American servicemen being left behind, I'd like to see it.


Opinion no, the article gives testimony from those who would know and did more research on the topic then you did, the fact remains not all the troops returned during operation homecoming. Your brothers in arms were swept under the rug and left to die to avoid another conflict, no man left behind what a joke


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If you actually followed the MIA issue, you'd know that the number of "missing" is not the number
left behind, just as those "missing" from the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor are not left behind.  

In both cases, their bodies have not been recovered.  

But if you do have any evidence of any US serviceman left behind in Vietnam, I'd like to hear
about it.


well now, that's just funny....splitting hairs....

missing because you're left behind
missing because you went awol

really, do you really believe the sh!t they serve up?

they tell you that they are in charge of the bigger picture so you only worry about your butt and the guy next to you...

'don't worry we got your back boys'.... that's what they tell you....and they tell you the reason they
think you should believe in what you are doing....or not believe it and just be a killing machine, either for yourself or
for your 'god'......don't see much difference.


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

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