Flash grenades have injured thousands and damaged properties as well.
But it's acceptable losses.
Or they would take corrective action to prevent a re-occurrence.
They don't take corrective action because the people don't care. This thread only has 93 views and I have yet to see it on national news.
This story has blood shooting out of my eyes I get so angry. We have phonies on this forum that get all worked up over climate change, a phony war on women, taxing the rich, and gun control. But when we have A BABY maimed by organized violence supported by public policy - NOBODY CARES! This wasn't a random act of violence like Sandy Hook, this was a result of accepted POLICY. Americans act like they give a sh*t about violence in society, but when you scratch the surface of these people, and dig a little deeper, you realize it is ALL PHONY.
I WASNT THAT FAR OFF!!! THE SHERIFF DID NOT BLAME THE SWAT RAID!
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"After Georgia’s Mountain Judicial Circuit Narcotics Criminal Investigation and Suppression Team burned a toddler with a flashbang grenade during a drug raid on Wednesday, Habersham County Sheriff Joey Terrell told Access North Georgia: “The person I blame in this whole thing is the person selling the drugs,” Terrell said. “Wanis Thonetheva, that’s the person I blame in all this. They are no better than a domestic terrorist, because they don’t care about families – they didn’t care about the family, the children living in that household – to be selling dope out of it, to be selling methamphetamine out of it. All they care about is making money."
If the cops killed the baby, the drug dealer would be charged with causing the death.
Standard operating procedure.
Same as during police chases.
No, he won't. It's all on the cops.
They were conducting a 'Search Warrant'. They are the ones that initiated contact and conflict and the occupants offered no resistance, were not armed and were not a threat. Not only that, but the person they were looking for wasn't even there.
A car chase, on the other hand, is a much different story. The driver is purposely engaging in an active conflict and murder charges would totally be warranted if his actions DIRECTLY resulted in a officer killing a bystander. (Example: Driver hits cop car. Cop car skids and hits someone on a sidewalk.)
There is also the question on how this family knows this guy.
"Approval ratings go up and down for various reasons... An example is the high post 911 support for GWB even though he could be said to be responsible for the event." --- Box A Rox '9/11 Truther'
Melania is a bimbo... she is there to look at, not to listen to. --- Box A Rox and his 'War on Women'
They were conducting a 'Search Warrant'. They are the ones that initiated contact and conflict and the occupants offered no resistance, were not armed and were not a threat. Not only that, but the person they were looking for wasn't even there.
Initiated contact - that's an understatement. It was a no-knock raid complete with kicking down doors and flash bang grenades.
The news report said the SWAT raid was because it was suspected the person had guns in the home. Ummm...40% of US households have guns....I hope you gun owners pay your parking tickets on time. You don't want the sheriff to come and collect.
Initiated contact - that's an understatement. It was a no-knock raid complete with kicking down doors and flash bang grenades.
The news report said the SWAT raid was because it was suspected the person had guns in the home. Ummm...40% of US households have guns....I hope you gun owners pay your parking tickets on time. You don't want the sheriff to come and collect.
You're a bit ridiculous with the 'sheriff and the parking tickets'.....The 'suspected the person had guns in the home' is always the excuse to use SWAT.
I still want more details on how this family knows this guy. I expect this story to catch fire this week.
"Approval ratings go up and down for various reasons... An example is the high post 911 support for GWB even though he could be said to be responsible for the event." --- Box A Rox '9/11 Truther'
Melania is a bimbo... she is there to look at, not to listen to. --- Box A Rox and his 'War on Women'
You're a bit ridiculous with the 'sheriff and the parking tickets'.....The 'suspected the person had guns in the home' is always the excuse to use SWAT.
I still want more details on how this family knows this guy. I expect this story to catch fire this week.
I can't believe that some dipstick authorizes a no knock raid without knowing who is inside the home.
Authorizing use of force without knowing the exact target and bystanders is dangerous practice.
How many times have we read the stories of grandmothers and children thrown on the floor with guns pointed at them?
An arrest warrant should not allow terrorism of entire families/homes.
The first rule of use of force with any weapon is to know your target.
CORNELIA, Ga. -- A toddler caught in the middle of a drug raid was seriously injured when a police flash grenade exploded in his playpen.
The 19-month-old child is now in Grady Hospital's burn unit in Atlanta. The raid in which he was injured was at a house just north of Cornelia, in Habersham County, early Wednesday morning.
Habersham County Sheriff Joey Terrell, who described the device in various ways -- a "stun grenade" and "flash grenade" and "flash bang" -- said there was no indication that a family with four children were guests in the suspected drug dealer's house when his team went in and threw that flash grenade to try to arrest the suspect.
Terrell said his team made an undercover drug buy at the house just a few hours before the raid.
When sheriff's deputies and Cornelia police officers, who make up the Special Response team, obtained a no-knock warrant and tried to go into the drug suspect's house just after midnight Wednesday, something was blocking the door from the inside. Terrell said they didn't know it was the playpen of the 19-month-old child, and that the boy was in the playpen sleeping.
"There was an obstruction, they inserted a flash bang, they had to push the door open. When they entered the door, they noticed it was a playpen, or like a pack-and-play type device," Terrell said. "There was a young child in the pack-and-play."
The flash grenade had exploded next to the child, Bou Phonesavanh. He suffered serious burns. Family friends have sent up a gofundme site to raise money for his medical expenses.
One of the residents of the home told 11Alive that the crib was seven feet away from the door, and not propped against it.
The sheriff did arrest the suspect, Wanis Thomethera, 30, along with three others. He said his deputies interviewed the parents, who told them that the suspect is a relative, and that the family only recently moved in with him because their house in Wisconsin burned. 1401473506002-photo-3
Crib where flash grenade exploded and injured a small child.(Photo: 11 Alive)
"They [told us they] knew that the homeowner's son was selling meth, so they kept the children out of sight in a different room while any of these going-ons were happening," Terrell said. "So when [our confidential informants] did go up and buy drugs at the house, they didn't see any evidence of children in the home."
Thromethera has nine previous arrests, include drug and weapons charges.
Terrell said his office is keeping in contact with the boy's mother, who is with her son at Grady Memorial Hospital. The sheriff says he and all the law officers who were part of this raid are heartbroken, but he says he doesn't know what they could have done differently.
"The information we had from our confidential informant was there was no children in the home. We always ask; that determines how we enter the house and the things we do.... Did we go by our training, did we go by the intelligence? Given the same set of circumstances, with the same information dealing with a subject who has known gun charges on him, who is selling meth, they [the deputies and officers] would go through the same procedures... Nothing would change.... Had no way of knowing the child was in the house. The little baby was in there, didn't deserve this. These drug dealers don't care."
Terrell said that he has turned in evidence over the district attorney, who could call for a grand jury or the GBI to investigate.
... Terrell said his team made an undercover drug buy at the house just a few hours before the raid.
One of the residents of the home told 11Alive that the crib was seven feet away from the door, and not propped against it.
Given the same set of circumstances, with the same information dealing with a subject who has known gun charges on him, who is selling meth, they [the deputies and officers] would go through the same procedures... Nothing would change.... Had no way of knowing the child was in the house. The little baby was in there, didn't deserve this. These drug dealers don't care."
The drug dealers are not the only ones who don't care about innocent bystanders.
In hindsight, Terrell said, officers would've conducted the raid differently had they known there was a child inside the home, but there was no sign of children during the alleged drug purchase that prompted the raid.
"We would obviously would have done things different," Terrell said. "We might have gone in through a side door. ... We would not have used a flash bang."
You see...look how much they care. If they knew there were children in the house, they MIGHT have done it differently. But, if it they knew it was just the adult house guests in the house, they have no problem dropping a flash bang grenade next to an innocent adults head.
It's nice to see that they draw the line at maiming innocent babies with flash bang grenades. They are showing amazing restraint as they reflect and look back at their handy work.
The entire swat team should be up on a litany of charges, with the most significant charges being directed at the head of the operation that called the raid. The sick thing is that the perp they wanted was not even in the building. How intelligent law enforcement is.
They think they are in a Bruckheimer flick. Instead of arresting the guy when he walked up the stoop or out somewhere where no one could be hurt, they decided they had to show the world how big their nads (and how small their brains and hearts) are, People like JoeBox should be prosecuted too, for carrying the goobermint water on these things. Sick people think a child deserves to die or be in harm's way b/c someone in it's family is dealing drugs?
"While Foreign Terrorists were plotting to murder and maim using homemade bombs in Boston, Democrap officials in Washington DC, Albany and here were busy watching ME and other law abiding American Citizens who are gun owners and taxpayers, in an effort to blame the nation's lack of security on US so that they could have a political scapegoat."
Terrell said the training teaches officers to only throw the device three to five feet inside the door, to protect the occupants.
"He taught our team members how to do it," Terrell said. "They breached the door and one member tossed the device in, then we entered the room."
During the entry is when the child was burned.
"What had happened was there was a playpen - a Pack N Play - that was pushed up against the door, and when they breached the door it wouldn't open up because of the Pack N Play," Terrell said. "It was just wide enough to toss the flash bang in, then they had to physically push it [Pack N Play] on out of the way to get in. That's when the team medics saw the child, stopped at the child, took the child out and began first aid."
A waiting ambulance, which was standing by a short distance away, was called to transport the child.
"The door that we entered was the door that we bought dope out of - that's why entered at that door," Terrell said. "Our team went by the book. Given the same scenario, we'll do the same thing again. I stand behind what our team did."
The Habersham Special Response Team is a combination of sheriff's deputies and Cornelia police officers.
"We keep asking ourselves, 'how did this happen?'," Terrell said. "No one can answer that - you can't answer that. You try and do everything right. Bad things can happen. That's just the world we live in. Bad things happen to good people.
"The baby didn't deserve this," Terrell said. "The family didn't deserve this - this family was displaced from another home down here and apparently just moved in with her."
CORNELIA, Ga. -- A toddler caught in the middle of a drug raid was seriously injured when a police flash grenade exploded in his playpen.
The 19-month-old child is now in Grady Hospital's burn unit in Atlanta. The raid in which he was injured was at a house just north of Cornelia, in Habersham County, early Wednesday morning.
Habersham County Sheriff Joey Terrell, who described the device in various ways -- a "stun grenade" and "flash grenade" and "flash bang" -- said there was no indication that a family with four children were guests in the suspected drug dealer's house when his team went in and threw that flash grenade to try to arrest the suspect.
Terrell said his team made an undercover drug buy at the house just a few hours before the raid.
When sheriff's deputies and Cornelia police officers, who make up the Special Response team, obtained a no-knock warrant and tried to go into the drug suspect's house just after midnight Wednesday, something was blocking the door from the inside. Terrell said they didn't know it was the playpen of the 19-month-old child, and that the boy was in the playpen sleeping.
"There was an obstruction, they inserted a flash bang, they had to push the door open. When they entered the door, they noticed it was a playpen, or like a pack-and-play type device," Terrell said. "There was a young child in the pack-and-play."
The flash grenade had exploded next to the child, Bou Phonesavanh. He suffered serious burns. Family friends have sent up a gofundme site to raise money for his medical expenses.
One of the residents of the home told 11Alive that the crib was seven feet away from the door, and not propped against it.
The sheriff did arrest the suspect, Wanis Thomethera, 30, along with three others. He said his deputies interviewed the parents, who told them that the suspect is a relative, and that the family only recently moved in with him because their house in Wisconsin burned. 1401473506002-photo-3
Crib where flash grenade exploded and injured a small child.(Photo: 11 Alive)
"They [told us they] knew that the homeowner's son was selling meth, so they kept the children out of sight in a different room while any of these going-ons were happening," Terrell said. "So when [our confidential informants] did go up and buy drugs at the house, they didn't see any evidence of children in the home."
Thromethera has nine previous arrests, include drug and weapons charges.
Terrell said his office is keeping in contact with the boy's mother, who is with her son at Grady Memorial Hospital. The sheriff says he and all the law officers who were part of this raid are heartbroken, but he says he doesn't know what they could have done differently.
"The information we had from our confidential informant was there was no children in the home. We always ask; that determines how we enter the house and the things we do.... Did we go by our training, did we go by the intelligence? Given the same set of circumstances, with the same information dealing with a subject who has known gun charges on him, who is selling meth, they [the deputies and officers] would go through the same procedures... Nothing would change.... Had no way of knowing the child was in the house. The little baby was in there, didn't deserve this. These drug dealers don't care."
Terrell said that he has turned in evidence over the district attorney, who could call for a grand jury or the GBI to investigate.
This answers a lot of my questions, thanks for the update L4L.
The obvious lie is from the cops. Nobody would ever place a playpen next to a main door. Seven feet away is much more believable, as the cops just propped the door open and chucked a grenade.
They are also so broken up about the incident, that they set up a fund to help with the medical bills....Oh wait....They didn't.
"Approval ratings go up and down for various reasons... An example is the high post 911 support for GWB even though he could be said to be responsible for the event." --- Box A Rox '9/11 Truther'
Melania is a bimbo... she is there to look at, not to listen to. --- Box A Rox and his 'War on Women'
They always do WHAT THEY WANT. We live in a tyrannical dictatorship and police state. That is very clear.
"While Foreign Terrorists were plotting to murder and maim using homemade bombs in Boston, Democrap officials in Washington DC, Albany and here were busy watching ME and other law abiding American Citizens who are gun owners and taxpayers, in an effort to blame the nation's lack of security on US so that they could have a political scapegoat."
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