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Box A Rox
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There were Jewish rabbis/teachers in the 1st Century A.D. (and even just a little bit earlier) who were developing theology regarding after life -- up to and including the concept of the resurrection of the body.  That the Torah is silent on the subject is not unusual since it was a part of oral (and eventually written tradition) for several centuries before the 1st Century A.D.  
With the coming of Christ and the beginning the Christian Church, it can definitely be argued that the Hebrew Scriptures were interpreted through the prism of the Christian Scriptures and the REAL LIFE experience of Jesus Christ rising from the dead and being witnessed physically present and alive to a few hundred disciples during the period from His Resurrection to his Ascension into Heaven.  
Therefore there is NO DOUBT that there is a fairly definitive Judeo-Christian explanation for what happens after we die.


There is a wide variety of opinion among Jews:

Judaism

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Traditional Judaism firmly believes that death is not the end of human existence.
However, because Judaism is primarily focused on life here and now rather than on the
afterlife, Judaism does not have much dogma about the afterlife, and leaves a great deal
of room for personal opinion. It is possible for an Orthodox Jew to believe that the souls
of the righteous dead go to a place similar to the Christian heaven, or that they are
reincarnated through many lifetimes, or that they simply wait until the coming of the
messiah, when they will be resurrected. Likewise, Orthodox Jews can believe that the
souls of the wicked are tormented by demons of their own creation, or that wicked souls
are simply destroyed at death, ceasing to exist.



The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

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There is a wide variety of opinion among Jews:

Judaism




While there may be a wide variety of opinions, belief in an After-Life IS a part of the Judeo-Christian Tradition.   You can hold whatever strange views you wish and make gods out of people like Sagen and Einstein.  You will have to deal with the temporal and eternal consequences of that.  But be assured that those of us who do believe will continue to spread the Word and continue to be a vocal part of EVERY segment of this society -- including the political arena.


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While there may be a wide variety of opinions, belief in an After-Life IS a part of the Judeo-Christian Tradition.   You can hold whatever strange views you wish and make gods out of people like Sagen and Einstein.  You will have to deal with the temporal and eternal consequences of that.  But be assured that those of us who do believe will continue to spread the Word and continue to be a vocal part of EVERY segment of this society -- including the political arena.


An afterlife, according to Judaism may or may not exist as a heaven or hell.  What I've read about it
leaves it up to the individual with no exact dogma.  It would seem that some Jews have a similar view
as the Buddhists or Hindus.

It matters not to me if the "believers" spread the word, as long as they don't force their opinion
on the rest of us.


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What do Wiccans believe about the Afterlife?

Short Answer: Nothing. Everything. Take your pick
Long Answer: Wicca is a religion focused on living. When someone dies, if we mourn, it is for our loss,
for the loss of the person to the world, us, their family, and for what they could've done. Few Wiccans
mourn the fact that a person has died, only the loss of that person to the Living.

The following are the most common afterlife beliefs held by Wiccans. Our sacred teachings
often say nothing of what happens to you after you die. Ours is an EXPERIENTIAL religion.
1.Transmigration of Souls: This belief enters Wicca from Theosophy. It is the belief that life
exists as a journey of successive lives, where one learns more, eventually either incarnating
as a wise person or becoming one with god. Some Wiccans believe hardships in this life are a
result of a mistep on the journey. Others see us as a blank slate at birth.
2. Simple Reincarnation:The soul is born again into a new body, at random.
3. Division of Souls:The soul flies apart at death, where it becomes part of the divine energy
of all life, some part of these souls are divided into wisdom given to the living.
4. Non-linear Reincarnation: The soul is born into a new body, with no restrictions on time and
space. An individual soul could incarnate in 2001, then die and incarnate in 1857, then die
and incarnate in 2001 again. In fact, two people could be the same soul at different stages
of incarnation. In otherwords, we could all be Caesar and Cleopatra. NLR may be random, or
transmigrative.
5. Familial incarnation:Members of a family reincarnate as their descendants. May be Linear
or Non-linear.
6.Choice:Christians go to the Christian afterlife, Hindus reincarnate, and Wiccans go to the
afterlife they believe in.
7.Late Hellenic: Souls die and are judged. Some forget the life they lived and reincarnate,
others travel to paradise, others to temporary (but often long) torment.
8. Neo-Christian:Good people go to paradise, bad people reincarnate or are ghosts. Good
people can reincarnate if they want.
9. What Dreams may Come: People create their afterlife as a reflection of their life and/or
death.
10.neoCeltic: People go to a life of everlasting summer and/or beauty and/or youth. (This
differs in many ways from what Celtic Reconstructionists believe, and can be said to be a
sort of oversimplification of their thoughts on the matter.)
11. You Rot: Your body feeds the worms. Your soul feeds them too.


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An afterlife, according to Judaism may or may not exist as a heaven or hell.  What I've read about it
leaves it up to the individual with no exact dogma.  It would seem that some Jews have a similar view
as the Buddhists or Hindus.

It matters not to me if the "believers" spread the word, as long as they don't force their opinion
on the rest of us.


Atheists and anti-religion bigots have been forcing their beliefs on society for the past 50 or so years.  
We, believers, just have to do a better job of fielding candidates, electing people (people who are NOT afraid to adhere to Judeo-Christian principles in their public actions/votes) to all levels of government and get the right legislation passed into law.


George Amedore & Christian Klueg for NYS Senate 2016
Pete Vroman for State Assembly 2016[/size][/color]

"For this is what America is all about. It is the uncrossed desert and the unclimbed ridge. It is the star that is not reached and the harvest that is sleeping in the unplowed ground."
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  You can hold whatever strange views you wish and make gods out of people like Sagen and Einstein.
  You will have to deal with the temporal and eternal consequences of that.


Strange view???  IMO Sagen, Einstein or Hawking have just as much right to their beliefs as you do
of your "strange views"!  

IMO, the "consequences" to living my view is that I live a life now, not in hopes of some afterlife.


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Atheists and anti-religion bigots have been forcing their beliefs on society for the past 50 or so years.  
We, believers, just have to do a better job of fielding candidates, electing people (people who are NOT afraid to adhere to Judeo-Christian principles in their public actions/votes) to all levels of government and get the right legislation passed into law.


How have atheists been forcing their view on you???  IMO, they simply want freedom of Religion and
freedom FROM religion in the USA.  
They want to live free from YOUR or any other religion while allowing you to practice yours in
any way you see fit (that is legal).


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Strange view???  IMO Sagen, Einstein or Hawking have just as much right to their beliefs as you do
of your "strange views"!  

IMO, the "consequences" to living my view is that I live a life now, not in hopes of some afterlife.


Sagan, Einstein and Hawkings views are part of the compulsory school curriculum.  They have a right to their opinions, does the government have the right to force those views onto children?

You may believe their opinions, but you also believe their opinions be forced onto children.  The same thing you hate about other dogmatic religious beliefs.  

C'mon box, don't pretend you are against forced indoctrination.lol


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How have atheists been forcing their view on you???  IMO, they simply want freedom of Religion and
freedom FROM religion in the USA.  
They want to live free from YOUR or any other religion while allowing you to practice yours in
any way you see fit (that is legal).


I think he is referring to banning of religious expression in schools and the pledge of allegiance.

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4. Non-linear Reincarnation: The soul is born into a new body, with no restrictions on time and
space. An individual soul could incarnate in 2001, then die and incarnate in 1857, then die
and incarnate in 2001 again. In fact, two people could be the same soul at different stages
of incarnation. In otherwords, we could all be Caesar and Cleopatra. NLR may be random, or
transmigrative.


This would make a good movie, where you could travel back in time and be someone else for a few days.

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Sagan, Einstein and Hawkings views are part of the compulsory school curriculum.  They have a right to their opinions, does the government have the right to force those views onto children?

You may believe their opinions, but you also believe their opinions be forced onto children.  The same thing you hate about other dogmatic religious beliefs.  

C'mon box, don't pretend you are against forced indoctrination.lol


Sagan, Einstein and Hawkings SCIENCE views are just that... science.
Their religion, no matter what it is, should not be taught in school.


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soooo true.

LOVE the 'holy trinity' reference!!!

they should take GOD out of 'god'...county....core (in whatever order)................yes?


The BUMBLE-SPIRATOR chimes in kissing up to Cissy once
again and has the jewels to call MC1 a troll. Not sure which Bumble
this one is, but obviously LOVES Cissy.  KISS KISS!!!!


JUST BECAUSE SISSY SAYS SO DOESN'T MAKE IT SO...BUT HE THINKS IT DOES!!!!!  
JUST BECAUSE MC1 SAYS SO DOESN'T MAKE IT SO!!!!!  
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Sagan, Einstein and Hawkings SCIENCE views are just that... science.
Their religion, no matter what it is, should not be taught in school.


For many science is THE religion -- so based on Box's argument science should NOT be taught in school.
Almost every subject has been impacted by religious thought throughout human history - then really NOTHING could be taught in school based on Box's argument.

So Box is not just an atheist, he is - as I always suspected - an anti-religion bigot.  He probably would have been comfortable in a godless Marxist state like the Soviet Union ... oh wait .. in the Soviet Union, the Communist party was the religion --- so see -- Box's argument is completely asinine.


George Amedore & Christian Klueg for NYS Senate 2016
Pete Vroman for State Assembly 2016[/size][/color]

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For many science is THE religion -- so based on Box's argument science should NOT be taught in school.
Almost every subject has been impacted by religious thought throughout human history - then really NOTHING could be taught in school based on Box's argument.

So Box is not just an atheist, he is - as I always suspected - an anti-religion bigot.  He probably would have been comfortable in a godless Marxist state like the Soviet Union ... oh wait .. in the Soviet Union, the Communist party was the religion --- so see -- Box's argument is completely asinine.


DVOR's rant is typical.  Science is just that.  Proven, peer reviewed and based on fact.  We could
go along with DVOR's view... Every subject is "impacted" by religion... Galileo's view that the sun was
the center of our solar system was blasphemy until the 1990's when the Catholic Church issued an
apology.  
If you want science go to a science book.
If you want religion, go to a religious book.  
Both books have their value, but the two are not interchangeable.  


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all life is connected like a compost pile, hence petroleum products....technically our cars are still powered by some kind of
'ancient horse corpse'


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

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