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Box A Rox
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"If the Republicans don't do it they shouldn't bother to run a candidate
in 2016. I mean, think about that. Think about who the voters are."


-- Chamber of Commerce President Tom Donohue, quoted by Huffington Post,
on the need to pass immigration reform.


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

John Kenneth Galbraith

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Tea Party, KKK and Bundy-Style Militia Solution to Immigration Problems:
Shoot Immigrant Children



“Shoot to kill” is a more frequent far-right solution to what they call the “invasion” of
children arriving from Central America and Mexico. Today the KKK sent out this message,

A call to the phone number on the flier reached a recorded message which tells the caller that the biggest problem facing the U.S. today is illegal immigration and calling for a “shoot to kill” policy at the border to solve the problem.

Bundy Ranch-style militias member, Chris Davis, had this advice last week.

“You see an illegal. You point your gun dead at him, right between his eyes,
and you say, ‘Get back across the border or you will be shot.’”


Sitting in the Dallas Morning News editorial meeting earlier this year, Texas Tea Party
candidate Chris Mapp said that:

Ranchers should be allowed to shoot on sight anyone illegally crossing the border on to their
land and referred to such people as “wetbacks.”


A Kansas Tea Party State Representative, Virgil Peck (R) rose to national fame well
before his time. In 2011 he said,

It looks like to me if shooting these immigrating feral hogs works maybe we have found
a [solution] to our illegal immigration problem.


This week Roger Kaplan, Washington-based writer covering Middle East and Africa for
Spectator.com began encouraging people to shoot to stop the children,

There is no law that says the Texas, New Mexico, and Arizona National Guards cannot be
mobilized to protect the hundreds of miles on our southern border that are violated daily by
illegal immigrants.


…and no political wisdom, that says that if persons refuse direct orders to halt at a border
crossing, you cannot stop them forcibly. It is widely acknowledged the world over that
national sovereignty includes the right to defend recognized international borders…In a
majority of countries, the defense of borders is understood to include the right, in fact
the duty, to use force. That is why border police worldwide
are armed.

Kaplan considers the arrival of the children an “invasion,”

A few salvos of grapeshot and the invasion — what else is it? — will be turned back.
It will stop.


For those children who have already arrived Kaplan suggests officials take them to the border
and tell them to go home but,

If they refuse to move, firepower can be used to encourage them. No one in the real
country will object to something as clear and straightforward as shooting criminals,
especially when the results are immediate and satisfying.


(Their solution to all problems... Cut Taxes & Just Shoot Em.)


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

John Kenneth Galbraith

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Permanent employment-based immigration is set at a rate of 140,000 visas per year,
and these are divided into 5 preferences, each subject to numerical limitations.
Below is a summary of the permanent employment-based preference system:


Preference Category 1      
40,000 allowed
“Persons of extraordinary ability” in the arts, science, education, business,
or athletics; outstanding professors and researchers, some multinational
executives.
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Preference Category 2
40,000 allowed     

Members of the professions holding advanced degrees,
or persons of exceptional abilities in the arts,
science, or business.
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Preference Category 3
40,000 allowed     

Skilled workers with at least two years of training or experience,
professionals with college degrees, or “other” workers for unskilled
labor that is not temporary or seasonal.
“Other” unskilled laborers restricted to 5,000
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Preference Category 4
10,000 allowed     

Certain “special immigrants” including religious workers,
employees of U.S. foreign service posts, former U.S.
government employees and other classes of aliens.
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Preference Category 5
10,000 allowed     

Persons who will invest $500,000 to $1 million in a job-creating
enterprise that employs at least 10 full time U.S. workers.
     
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https://www.numbersusa.com/


information is the key
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Quoted from sanfordy2
https://www.numbersusa.com/


information is the key


We agree on many things.

Immigration apparently will not be one of them.

I support unconditional freedom to travel without limits or restrictions.

The link that you posted is clearly in favor of more powerful government and more restrictions to travel and immigration.

They depict immigration as a threat that they want government protection from.

As a Libertarian I can't support giving the government more authority to restrict people.

The perceived threat of excessive immigration could never in a thousand years, be more expensive than the militarization
of  border security and the largest domestic enforcement action that ever existed.

Between 2000 and 2014 we have spent $1.4 trillion and currently spend over $20 billion a year to enforce the border.

That's over $12,000 already spent from every single US taxpayer.

Just for the record, Mexico's net worth after subtracting it's debt from the GDP is $1.4 trillion.

We could have bought the entire country for less.

Incidentally the US GDP is less than our debt giving us a net worth of minus $54 billion.

Putting aside the excessive spending and corruption brought about by the border war,
is the fact that we ridiculed and demanded the tearing down of the last Iron Curtain,
only to build a newer more weaponized version here at home.

If people have committed no crimes against us or have used no force against any Americans,
they should not be treated as enemies.

Keep in mind the drug wars throughout Mexico and Central America is funded by, supplied weapons from,
and who has the  greatest demand for drugs from these areas, is the US.

The US government is also not innocent of causing much of the violence and deaths, brought about by US
interference and backing of certain groups.

Add the astronomical 50 year drug war costs to the border war costs and we could have bought the entire
western hemisphere.

The only thing these actions have accomplished is failure after failure, but the actors in these actions get
rich off of salaries, bribes and protectionism.

Absolutely nothing has been accomplished by the drug war or the border war.

The drugs still flow freely, the immigrants still enter by the truckload.

Border patrol guards get rich looking the other way.

Gun distributors get rich, the drug dealers get higher prices, which causes more deaths and violence.

Pumping more guns and enforcement into an area has never worked.

Prolonging extended failures has become the new American way.

There are untold reasons to end both wars, but my main reason is to stop giving increasing power to
the government to use force against harmless people who have hurt no one.

The government uses these fear mongering propaganda programs to get people to hand over trillions
to protect them.

People are blind to the real villains who get rich by taking your money to not defend you.

Put these half a million enforcement people to work in the private sector producing goods or providing
actual services, not imaginary warm feelings of false security.

Then of course you have the Homeland security pillaging of our rights and booty.

The government is drunk on protectionism without regard to actual threats.

Now they turn to the internet to find more groups to vilify.







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Quoted from Libertarian4life


[b]We agree on many things.

Immigration apparently will not be one of them.



dont be so sure.....

i honestly have no problem whatsoever with legal immigration...sure,no borders is a great idea...but its not the world we live in ...

i know its a fine line,but i can and do agree with most of what you just posted...but... when my new third world illegal alien neighbors move in next door with all of the associated problems AND the knowledge that just about anything goes and if anything does go wrong they can flee out of country to safety it gives you a new perspective on it...

and as i stated in a previous thread my family has already had the worst type experience of this behavior
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Jesus was a child refugee fleeing violence in his homeland.


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

John Kenneth Galbraith

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The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

John Kenneth Galbraith

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Quoted from Box A Rox
Jesus was a child refugee fleeing violence in his homeland.


and Israel did a controlled killing to find him because he was not a citizen and he was recruiting terrorists.
They failed at that and decided to kill him after he refused to be made into a cog of the system and crucified him.

sounds like the human spirit to me


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

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When the INSANE are running the ASYLUM
In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche


“How fortunate for those in power that people never think.”
Adolph Hitler
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