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Box A Rox
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NATIONAL POPULAR VOTE: NEW YORK STATE CLIMBS ABOARD

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On Tuesday, the State of New York took a baby step—or maybe a giant leap!—toward
making the United States of America something more closely resembling a modern
democracy: Governor Andrew Cuomo signed a bill joining up the Empire State to the
National Popular Vote (N.P.V.) interstate compact.

As I’ve explained many times (fifty-one, to be exact), N.P.V. is a way to elect our
Presidents the way we elect our governors, our mayors, our senators and representatives,
our state legislators, and everybody else: by totting up the voters’ votes—all of
them—and awarding the job to whichever candidate gets the largest number. And
it does this without changing a word of the Constitution.

New Yorker
http://www.newyorker.com/onlin.....e-climbs-aboard.html


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

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"Approval ratings go up and down for various reasons... An example is the high post 911 support for
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Buck would prefer a redo of Florida 2000, where the WINNER (Bushy) got half a million LESS
votes than the LOSER (Gore).
Gore, 50,999,897
Bush, 50,456,002


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we were a modern democracy when we became independent of England.....hhhhmmmmm


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

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Buck would prefer a redo of Florida 2000, where the WINNER (Bushy) got half a million LESS
votes than the LOSER (Gore).
Gore, 50,999,897
Bush, 50,456,002


Yes. While it isn't exactly perfect, our current system doesn't alienate anyone.

We have already gone through this. If you switch to a 'popular vote' format, the only place national candidates will go is to the most populated cities (and we all know what way they swing).

I also find it kinda funny that you bring this up. Many popular votes have taken place regarding the rejection of gay marriage and you called that 'tyranny of the majority' IIRC.

Progressive hypocrisy knows no bounds.





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Yes. While it isn't exactly perfect, our current system doesn't alienate anyone.
We have already gone through this. If you switch to a 'popular vote' format, the only place national candidates will go is to the most populated cities (and we all know what way they swing).
I also find it kinda funny that you bring this up. Many popular votes have taken place regarding the rejection of gay marriage and you called that 'tyranny of the majority' IIRC.
Progressive hypocrisy knows no bounds.


So you advocate a popular vote for gay marriage???  How about Gun Control?  Or Slavery???

When electing a president, just as when electing a senator, congressman or governor, why would we
tolerate a system that would ignore the will of half a million voters?
If you believe in one person, one vote, then the present system is not for you.  As with the Florida
2000 election and several others, the WINNER of the most votes, LOSES the election.  


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Suppose you could get a bunch of states to pledge that once there are enough of them
to possess at least 270 electoral votes — a majority of the Electoral College — they will
thenceforth cast all their electoral votes for whatever candidate gets the most popular votes
in the entire country.
As soon as that happens, the next time you go to the polls, you'll be voting in a true national
election. No more ten or so battleground states, no more forty or so spectator states, just the
United States — all of them, and all of the voters who live in them.


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

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Which states get screwed worst by the Electoral College?
It takes roughly 150,000 Vermont voters to equal one Electoral vote.
It takes roughly 450,000 New Yorkers to equal that same Electoral vote.



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So you advocate a popular vote for gay marriage???  How about Gun Control?  


You don't support popular vote in these instances?


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You don't support popular vote in these instances?


I elect representatives to pass appropriate legislation.  That is how our system of govt works.  
Electing a president/congressman/senator etc should be done by the people in a popular vote.
  The Electoral College today is irrelevant, and has elected 4 US Presidents who didn't represent
the will of the people.


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I elect representatives to pass appropriate legislation.  That is how our system of govt works.  
Electing a president/congressman/senator etc should be done by the people in a popular vote.
  The Electoral College today is irrelevant, and has elected 4 US Presidents who didn't represent
the will of the people.




...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

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I elect representatives to pass appropriate legislation.  That is how our system of govt works.  
Electing a president/congressman/senator etc should be done by the people in a popular vote.
  The Electoral College today is irrelevant, and has elected 4 US Presidents who didn't represent
the will of the people.


We elect Representatives to REPRESENT US.  God knows we don't have one in there that represents us now.

As for the Electoral College, it has worked well for 225 years.  As for the 2000 election, I am thankful that we had the Electoral College because George W. Bush was a whole lot better choice than that blowhard jackass he ran against.  BTW - George W. Bush won more popular votes in BOTH 2000 and 2004 than Bill Clinton won in 1992 and 1996 .. and George W, Bush won a higher percentage of the total vote BOTH times than Bill Clinton did in his two runs for the presidency.  George W. Bush represented the will of the people as have all of our elected presidents in our history.


George Amedore & Christian Klueg for NYS Senate 2016
Pete Vroman for State Assembly 2016[/size][/color]

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Republicans have LOST THE POPULAR VOTE in
5 of the last 6 Presidential Elections


Including the G Worst Bush LOSS to Al Gore in 2000 by half a million votes.



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George WONDERFUL Bush was a good president.  Much better than his successor.


George Amedore & Christian Klueg for NYS Senate 2016
Pete Vroman for State Assembly 2016[/size][/color]

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I elect representatives to pass appropriate legislation.  That is how our system of govt works.  


So regardless what party is selected to power, all legislation is appropriate and reflect the will of the governed.  And the non enforcement of legislation like Obamacare and Immigration is what?


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