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As posted above... If I wanted to take up playing pool, I wouldn't expect the taxpayers to pay for
it.  
If I wanted to eat figs... I'd buy the figs and not expect the taxpayers to subsidise my fig addiction.
If I wanted to smoke cigarettes, I would expect to pay the full cost of those ciggs.  

I wonder why you seem happy to foot the bill for my cigarette addiction but would balk at paying for
my fig addiction???

Do you have something against figs???  

Does alcohol pay for its negative social impact?  What would it be, $30 a 6 pack?

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so if you wanted an abortion you wouldn't expect the tax payers to subsidize it?

^5.  Good one Senders

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Experts Increasingly Contemplate End Of Smoking
February 9, 2014 6:08 PM
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ATLANTA (CBSMiami/AP) — Health officials have begun to call “end game” on cigarette-smoking in America.

They have long wished for a cigarette-free America, but shied away from calling for smoking rates to fall to zero or near zero by any particular year. The power of tobacco companies and popularity of their products made such a goal seem like a pipe dream.

But a confluence of changes has recently prompted public health leaders to start throwing around phrases like “endgame” and “tobacco-free generation.” Now, they talk about the slowly-declining adult smoking rate dropping to 10 percent in the next decade and to 5 percent or lower by 2050.

Acting U.S. Surgeon General Boris Lushniak last month released a 980-page report on smoking that pushed for stepped-up tobacco-control measures. His news conference was an unusually animated showing of anti-smoking bravado, with Lushniak nearly yelling, repeatedly, “Enough is enough!”

“I can’t accept that we’re just allowing these numbers to trickle down,” he said, in a recent interview with the AP. “We believe we have the public health tools to get us to the zero level.”

http://miami.cbslocal.com/2014/02/09/experts-increasingly-contemplate-end-of-smoking/

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Does alcohol pay for its negative social impact?  What would it be, $30 a 6 pack?

You can buy a six pack, drink responsibly and never have any 'negative social impact' on society,
or you can abuse alcohol and create a problem.  All drinkers are not unruly drunks.
All smokers, even those who use the product as it's manufacturer recommend, will have adverse health
effects and SO WILL THOSE MERELY STANDING NEXT TO THE SMOKER.  

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Note:
If one or both of your parents smoked, and you never smoked, your chance of developing
lung cancer in your lifetime is doubled.  
No one ever gets cirrhosis of the liver from their parents drinking.

Quoted from Box A Rox

You can buy a six pack, drink responsibly and never have any 'negative social impact' on society,
or you can abuse alcohol and create a problem.  All drinkers are not unruly drunks.
All smokers, even those who use the product as it's manufacturer recommend, will have adverse health
effects and SO WILL THOSE MERELY STANDING NEXT TO THE SMOKER.  

Depending on body size, weight, etc - 2 beers will put you over the limit for DWI - ... 1 beer will put you "under the influence".  

I don't want to be the person that gets into a car accident with someone who's had 2 beers (responsible, by some standards) - and have me, or a loved one killed.

No single cigarette, or even two, or 12 - have ever killed anyone.

Health consequences of smoking 1–4 cigarettes per day

Conclusions: In both sexes, smoking 1–4 cigarettes per day was associated with a significantly
higher risk of dying from ischaemic heart disease and from all causes, and from lung cancer in
women. Smoking control policymakers and health educators should emphasise more strongly
that light smokers also endanger their health.

http://tobaccocontrol.bmj.com/content/14/5/315.full

How many cigarettes is it safe to smoke?

The researchers recruited 121 healthy volunteers to pee into a cup and submit to a bronchoscopy,
a procedure that included removing cells from the lining of the part of the airway that would first
come into contact with inhaled smoke.

Smoking status was determined based on levels of nicotine and  cotinine (a chemical produced in
the body as nicotine is metabolized) found in their urine. The 40 people with undetectable levels
of nicotine and cotinine were classified as nonsmokers; those with low levels were considered
occasional smokers or people exposed to secondhand smoke; and those with high levels were
considered regular smokers.

By comparing the lung biopsies from regular smokers to those from nonsmokers, the researchers identified
372 genes whose expression was triggered by tobacco smoke. Then they checked to see what those
genes were doing in the occasional smokers. It turned out that 128 of those genes (34%) had been
activated -- presumably by cigarettes -- including 41 (11%) that were “significantly modified,”
according to the study.

Next, the researchers checked to see how much nicotine and cotinine had to be in the urine before
changes in the lung cell genes were noticeable. For nicotine, that level was a mere 1.8 nanograms
per milliliter -- too low to be picked up in tests. In other words, “there was no detectable level” of
nicotine that was considered harmless, the researchers wrote. For cotinine, the threshold was 11
ng/ml, only slightly higher than the amount that the most sensitive tests can detect.

Digging further, the researchers found that the two groups of genes that responded most strongly
in the occasional smokers were the same two groups that are most active in regular smokers.
“These changes in gene expression are likely the earliest biologic abnormalities in the small airway
epithelium that lead to clinically detectable lung disease,” they wrote.

Considering that so many people are exposed to secondhand smoke or partake in an occasional
cigarette, the findings are significant, they concluded.

LA Times
http://articles.latimes.com/2010/aug/20/news/la-heb-smoking-20100820

A few cigarettes a day 'deadly'
BBC
Doctors warn that any amount of smoking is dangerous.  Smoking just one to four cigarettes a
day almost triples a person's risk of dying of heart disease, according to Norwegian researchers.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/4265600.stm

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Health consequences of smoking 1–4 cigarettes per day

Conclusions: In both sexes, smoking 1–4 cigarettes per day was associated with a significantly
higher risk of dying from ischaemic heart disease and from all causes, and from lung cancer in
women. Smoking control policymakers and health educators should emphasise more strongly
that light smokers also endanger their health.

http://tobaccocontrol.bmj.com/content/14/5/315.full

I never said "per day" - I said total.

as opposed to X beers .. which can render you "drunk" and deadly on the road.

Quoted from Box A Rox

You can buy a six pack, drink responsibly and never have any 'negative social impact' on society,
or you can abuse alcohol and create a problem.  All drinkers are not unruly drunks.
All smokers, even those who use the product as it's manufacturer recommend, will have adverse health
effects and SO WILL THOSE MERELY STANDING NEXT TO THE SMOKER.  

Hmmmm....CVS still sells beer.  Yup, "health store". I hope you don't like drinking beer.  I may be one of those personal habits that need to go in America.

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Alcohol-Attributable Deaths and Years of Potential Life Lost --- United States, 2001
To analyze alcohol-related health impacts, CDC estimated the number of alcohol-attributable deaths (AADs) and years of potential life lost (YPLLs) in the United States during 2001. This report summarizes the results of that analysis, which indicated that approximately 75,766 AADs and 2.3 million YPLLs, or approximately 30 years of life lost on average per AAD, were attributable to excessive alcohol use in 2001.

http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm5337a2.htm

Quoted from Box A Rox

All smokers, even those who use the product as it's manufacturer recommend, will have adverse health
effects and SO WILL THOSE MERELY STANDING NEXT TO THE SMOKER.  

My friends 90 year old grandmother smoked for 50 years, grew up poor during the Great Depression, and raised her children on her own while her husband fought in WWII - and is still alive.  Only if she didn't smoke, she could live to 180.

Some people's drive to control people drive them to insanity.  Box has arrived.

Quoted from CICERO

My friends 90 year old grandmother smoked for 50 years, grew up poor during the Great Depression, and raised her children on her own while her husband fought in WWII - and is still alive.  Only if she didn't smoke, she could live to 180.

Some people's drive to control people drive them to insanity.  Box has arrived.

she only smoked for 50 years ?

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she only smoked for 50 years ?

At least 50.  I haven't seen her in 10 years since my friend moved out of town.

Quoted from CICERO

Hmmmm....CVS still sells beer.  Yup, "health store". I hope you don't like drinking beer.  I may be one of those personal habits that need to go in America.

http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm5337a2.htm

CVS also sells all that crappy food/candy and chemical ridden body lotions/shampoos and all kinds of drugs....

hhhmmmm

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Hmmmm....CVS still sells beer.  Yup, "health store". I hope you don't like drinking beer.
I may be one of those personal habits that need to go in America.

http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm5337a2.htm