Quoted from CICERO

Marriage isn't a state matter.  Marriage or divorce shouldn't be legal or illegal.  It's an agreement between 2 people.  Saying that divorce is now legal is admitting that it can once again be made illegal.

BINGO!!!!!!

marrying blue blood catholic/protestant was important....the legal/illegal false marriage was between the
church and state having control over said cast system.....

marrying the church/state

people think changing the way the church does business should change the way government does business....that's wrong
Box....

There are those misguided Conservatives who insist that "Life Begins At Conception"  NO EXCEPTIONS.
NO OTHER WAY TO LOOK AT IT.
They believe that when you are conceived, you are a human being with all the rights and benefits of
any human citizen.
SO...... If a woman goes through In Vitro Fertilization, on that day, the human embryo that is created
IS A HUMAN BEING.  
Follow this... if that woman, as often happens, freezes an embryo, and that embryo is kept frozen for say...
21 years, then is implanted and successfully grows and is born, HOW OLD IS THAT 'PERSON'?

If it was a human being at conception, then at birth this "PERSON" would be 21 years old and
eligible to vote, to drink in a bar, to any other rights and benefits that any other 21 year old
would enjoy!  
Ridiculous huh!!!  

HOw many times r we gonna circle this airport?

lets try the race card next!

Quoted from Box A Rox

[b]There are those misguided Conservatives who insist that "Life Begins At Conception"  NO EXCEPTIONS.
NO OTHER WAY TO LOOK AT IT.

When you say misguided conservatives, is conservative another name for scientists?  

Quoted from CICERO

When you say misguided conservatives, is conservative another name for scientists?  

No, in the normal American vernacular it means a 'douchebag'.

Boxy tears are the best tears....Especially when he digs up necro threads.

Can't wait to see his rage posts in 2015.

And since you want to bring this up, here's a nice bill that will be rescued from Reid's desk....

http://www.redstate.com/diary/.....ed-harry-reids-desk/

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Dust it Off: Pro-Life Legislation to be Rescued from Harry Reid’s Desk


The Pain Capable Unborn Child Protection Act bans abortions after the 20th week of pregnancy. It would save at least 18,000 lives a year, according to LifeNews. It’s a common sense bill that a majority of Americans support – especially women. Yet, Sen. Harry Reid (D-NV) let it languish on his desk for months. Now, soon to take the reins as Majority Leader, Sen. Mitch McConnell (R-KY) is ready to brush away the cobwebs.

Quoted from BuckStrider

Boxy tears are the best tears....Especially when he digs up necro threads.

Can't wait to see his rage posts in 2015.

And since you want to bring this up, here's a nice bill that will be rescued from Reid's desk....

http://www.redstate.com/diary/.....ed-harry-reids-desk/

LOL your links "Save 18,000 lives a year"!!!   So... who is going to PAY FOR THOSE 18,000 BIRTHS?
YOU?  Lol, of course not!  Your saved "18,000 lives a year" are unwanted pregnancies... how do you
think those moms will pay for these unwanted babies???  Welfare?  Dump them at the local church?
How about if they dump them at your doorstep and you can pay for them!

I've seen many times before when the 'opposition party' will vote for a bill over and over every time it
comes up for a vote, because they know it won't pass.  They are on the list as VOTED FOR THE BILL...
to help satisfy the party faithful and the voters.  But when they are in the majority and their vote actually
means something... they then are forced to take an actual VOTE on whether the bill will pass and they
often change their support to a no vote.  
(How would you like to be the senator or congressman who's one vote takes away abortion services
for all women?  Might destroy your reelection chances on an issue which has majority support.)

(I wonder how many "LIVES" you figure we could save if we outlawed masturbation.  Billions of "potential"
babies just being lost forever with no chance of fertilizing an egg!  A tragedy!)

Quoted from Box A Rox

No, in the normal American vernacular it means a 'douchebag'.

I do agree, conservative and liberal alike, are douchebags.  Especially the one whose world is so hyper-political, that they are unable to make an argument without first identifying themselves or their debate opponent as either a liberal or conservative.

Either way, what does science say about human life again?  Scientifically, does it begin at birth?

Quoted from CICERO

I do agree, conservative and liberal alike, are douchebags.  Especially the one whose world is so hyper-political, that they are unable to make an argument without first identifying themselves or their debate opponent as either a liberal or conservative.

Either way, what does science say about human life again?  Scientifically, does it begin at birth?

Cissy wants to know when LIFE begins... (GET IT? "LIFE" not at what point is that "LIFE" a human
being)
So life begins waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay before conception.  As Cissy well knows, human sperm IS LIFE...
It's just not a "HUMAN BEING"... but it is HUMAN LIFE!

SO to recap... human life is in every cell of our body.  Human Life is in our blood that we donate, it's in our
fat if we have liposuction... Human LIFE is in our appendix when we have it removed and tossed into the
garbage can.  

So is Cicero out to protect "HUMAN LIFE" or out to protect HUMAN BEINGS?    There is a huge difference!

Quoted from Box A Rox

  

So is Cicero out to protect "HUMAN LIFE" or out to protect HUMAN BEINGS?    There is a huge difference!

Not really a huge difference.  Give me at least one scientific example when a fertilized human egg turned out to develop into something other than a human being.  Is there any example of a zygote developing into just lungs, or just a fingernail?  The zygote carries all the genetic material to create all other human cells.  As far as I know, I've never heard of a woman going full term and delivering an eardrum.  Maybe it's happened.  

Quoted from CICERO

Not really a huge difference.  Give me at least one scientific example when a fertilized human egg turned out to develop into something other than a human being.  Is there any example of a zygote developing into just lungs, or just a fingernail?  The zygote carries all the genetic material to create all other human cells.  As far as I know, I've never heard of a woman going full term and delivering an eardrum.  Maybe it's happened.  

So you are saying that EVENTUALLY this "LIFE" you speak of CAN TURN INTO A 'HUMAN BEING'.  Yes it can.
and often does... BUT IT ISN'T A 'HUMAN BEING' IS IT!

Quoted from Box A Rox

So you are saying that EVENTUALLY this "LIFE" you speak of CAN TURN INTO A 'HUMAN BEING'.  Yes it can.
and often does... BUT IT ISN'T A 'HUMAN BEING' IS IT!

You're moving the goal posts.  I'm saying a fertilized egg is a human life.  Not a living cell that could turn into a fingernail, eyeball, or spleen.  I asked what the science community believe human life begins.  

What equals a human being - consciousness?

Quoted from CICERO

You're moving the goal posts.  I'm saying a fertilized egg is a human life.  Not a living cell that could turn into a fingernail, eyeball, or spleen.  I asked what the science community believe human life begins.  
What equals a human being - consciousness?

One of us is 'moving the goalpost and it isn't me!!!!!
This is YOUR POST.  I don't blame you for running away from your previous statement... but don't blame
your retreat on me!  

Quoted from CICERO

Either way, what does science say about human life again?  Scientifically, does it begin at birth?

"Human Life"  that is what you posted.  "Human Life" is in all of our cells throughout our body.  Every cell
is HUMAN LIFE... But it ISN'T a HUMAN BEING", IS IT CISSY???

Quoted from Box A Rox

"Human Life"  that is what you posted.  "Human Life" is in all of our cells throughout our body.  Every cell
is HUMAN LIFE... But it ISN'T a HUMAN BEING", IS IT CISSY???

A skin cell isn't a human life.  It will never have consciousness.  None of my cells in MY body share the exact same DNA as the cells in the fertilized egg.  The cells in a fertilized egg are unique, having a completely different DNA makeup of any other human cell on the planet.

So please, show me again where science defines a skin cell as human life.  And if human cells is human life, then stem cells used from embryos is not necessary, since skin cells, and all other human cells should be able to reproduce without using a fertilized egg to create stem cells.

Quoted from Box A Rox

There are those misguided Conservatives who insist that "Life Begins At Conception"  NO EXCEPTIONS.
NO OTHER WAY TO LOOK AT IT.
They believe that when you are conceived, you are a human being with all the rights and benefits of
any human citizen.
SO...... If a woman goes through In Vitro Fertilization, on that day, the human embryo that is created
IS A HUMAN BEING.  
Follow this... if that woman, as often happens, freezes an embryo, and that embryo is kept frozen for say...
21 years, then is implanted and successfully grows and is born, HOW OLD IS THAT 'PERSON'?

If it was a human being at conception, then at birth this "PERSON" would be 21 years old and
eligible to vote, to drink in a bar, to any other rights and benefits that any other 21 year old
would enjoy!  
Ridiculous huh!!!  

Chinese tradition counts age from conception......being human and being a citizen are 2 different things.....ask yourself,
does the state get to decide when you 'start', because basically that is what you are saying....the state gets to tell you everything
you are allowed to do, frozen or not.....I don't disagree with abortion or 'pro-life" because you are BOTH saying the same
thing....the state gets to decide who/what/when you are.....AND what you get to do, when you get to do it and how you
get to do it.....

Box thinks freedom exists in only in the choice of the person getting the abortion regardless of the rest of the hive(mother, father
grandmother, grandfather, brother, sister, etc etc), I find this interesting, because then Box believes that the state gets to
decide if you can vote/have alcohol/go to war/have a gun etc etc......

DVOR thinks freedom exists in 'only the government mandating the birth of a human',,,,,other wise the same exists for both of
them in their belief of the state's interference in a sovereign human's life.....

both of them base their human sovereignty upon the STATE'S APPROVAL OF WHO WE ARE.....

interesting....this would lead me to believe that both think no one is worth anything without the state which means no human
has a right to exist without the state's approval....

no value
no job
no food
no housing
no water
etc etc etc......

you are both sad.....