Why are Right Wingers so 'dumb' about Obamacare. Why do normally sane people so far off the mark when it comes to ObamaCare FACTS??? Answer: They Watch FoxSnooe and Hannity.
"Inside the Fox News lie machine: I fact-checked Sean Hannity on Obamacare"
I will condense it but you can read the entire report at Salon.com
I decided to hit the pavement. I tracked down Hannity’s guests, one by one, and did my own telephone interviews with them.
First I spoke with Paul Cox of Leicester, N.C. He and his wife Michelle had lamented to Hannity that because of Obamacare, they can’t grow their construction business and they have kept their employees below a certain number of hours, so that they are part-timers.
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Obamacare has no effect on businesses with 49 employees or less. But in our brief conversation on the phone, Paul revealed that he has only four employees. Why the cutback on his workforce? “Well,” he said, “I haven’t been forced to do so, it’s just that I’ve chosen to do so. I have to deal with increased costs.” What costs? And how, I asked him, is any of it due to Obamacare? There was a long pause, after which he said he’d call me back. He never did.
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Next I called Allison Denijs. She’d told Hannity that she pays over $13,000 a year in premiums. Like the other guests, she said she had recently gotten a letter from Blue Cross saying that her policy was being terminated and a new, ACA-compliant policy would take its place. She says this shows that Obama lied when he promised Americans that we could keep our existing policies.
Allison’s husband left his job a few years ago, one with benefits at a big company, to start his own business. Since then they’ve been buying insurance on the open market, and are now paying around $1,100 a month for a policy with a $2,500 deductible per family member, with hefty annual premium hikes. One of their two children is not covered under the policy. She has a preexisting condition that would require purchasing additional coverage for $600 a month, which would bring the family’s grand total to around $20,000 a year.
I tried an experiment and shopped on the exchange for Allison and Kurt. Assuming they don’t smoke and have a household income too high to be eligible for subsidies, I found that they would be able to get a plan for around $7,600, which would include coverage for their uninsured daughter. This would be about a 60 percent reduction from what they would have to pay on the pre-Obamacare market.
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Finally, I called Robbie and Tina Robison from Franklin, Tenn. Robbie is self-employed as a Christian youth motivational speaker. (You can see his work here.) On Hannity, the couple said that they, too, were recently notified that their Blue Cross policy would be expiring for lack of ACA compliance. They told Hannity that the replacement plans Blue Cross was offering would come with a rate increase of 50 percent or even 75 percent, and that the new offerings would contain all sorts of benefits they don’t need, like maternity care, pediatric care, prenatal care and so forth. Their kids are grown and moved out, so why should they be forced to pay extra for a health plan with superfluous features?
When I spoke to Robbie, he said he and Tina have been paying a little over $800 a month for their plan, about $10,000 a year. And the ACA-compliant policy will cost 50-75 percent more? They said this information was related to them by their insurance agent.
Had they shopped on the exchange yet, I asked? No, Tina said, nor would they. They oppose Obamacare and want nothing to do with it. Fair enough, but they should know that I found a plan for them for, at most, $3,700 a year, a 63 percent less than their current bill. It might cover things that they don’t need, but so does every insurance policy.
When Bumbler or Shadow or Henry or Cissy post that they heard that Obamacare will cost more... I assume that they are avid Hannity fans, who believe whatever they hear. I don't really care if they are that gullible... I just wish they wouldn't spread their misinformation to others who may believe them.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
I haven't watched a full Hannity show in over 4 years try again
"In the beginning of a change, the Patriot is a scarce man, brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a Patriot."
I haven't watched a full Hannity show in over 4 years try again
So at least we all know where all the false information comes from on this board when they say... "I heard___ about ObamaCare"
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
You still haven't addressed the deductibles in the healthcare plans Box they will cost people money as well. I'll sell you a plan for $275 per month and give you a $5000 deductible so how much does the plan cost now.
I haven't watched or listened to the CORPORATE LAME STREAM, ARM OF THE GOVERNMENT MEDIA in at least 2 years or more!!
When the INSANE are running the ASYLUM In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche
“How fortunate for those in power that people never think.” Adolph Hitler
Obamacare deductibles a dose of sticker shock Insurance companies requiring higher out-of-pocket expenses to comply with new rules October 13, 2013|By Peter Frost, Chicago Tribune reporter
Adam Weldzius, of Carpentersville, works as a nurse practitioner. If the 33-year-old single father wants the same level of health insurance coverage next year as what he has now with the same insurer and the same network of doctors and hospitals, his monthly premium of $233 will more than double.
Adam Weldzius, of Carpentersville, works as a nurse practitioner. If the 33-year-old single father wants the same level of health insurance coverage next year as what he has now with the same insurer and the same network of doctors and hospitals, his monthly premium of $233 will more than double. (Chuck Berman, Chicago Tribune)
Adam Weldzius, a nurse practitioner, considers himself better informed than most when it comes to the inner workings of health insurance. But even he wasn't prepared for the pocketbook hit he'll face next year under President Barack Obama's health care overhaul.
If the 33-year-old single father wants the same level of coverage next year as what he has now with the same insurer and the same network of doctors and hospitals, his monthly premium of $233 will more than double. If he wants to keep his monthly payments in check, the Carpentersville resident is looking at an annual deductible for himself and his 7-year-old daughter of $12,700, a more than threefold increase from $3,500 today.
The ACA will Cause a “Seismic Shift” Toward High-Deductible Health Plans By John Goodman Filed under Health Insurance on October 8, 2013 with 12 comments
The ACA is therefore expected to cause a “seismic shift” in HDHP enrollment. Small employers newly required to purchase employees’ insurance may well choose HDHPs as the least expensive coverage option. Larger employers might adopt HDHPs to achieve ACA-regulated premium levels and avoid the 2018 “Cadillac tax.”
For individuals without employer-based insurance options, ACA-instituted health insurance exchanges will provide coverage at four levels of generosity (bronze, silver, gold, and platinum) to 5 to 10% of Americans younger than 65…Cover Oregon, for example, estimates that cost sharing for Oregon families with incomes between 200 and 399% of the poverty level will include $5,000 deductibles, 30% coinsurance for many services even after reaching the deductible, and out-of-pocket spending maximums of $8,500 to $12,700. - See more at: http://healthblog.ncpa.org/the.....sthash.3HuJSpQx.dpuf
It depends on several factors, including your income, the state in which you live, your age, whether you smoke or not and your family size, among other factors. You could end up paying very little or nothing at all if your income falls within a certain range. If you do not qualify for a subsidy, coverage could be quite expensive — well over $1,000 a month in some cases. But this may still be lower than what you are paying now, if you have an individual policy.
There are caveats. One is that the cheaper plans come with big deductibles and lots of other out-of-pocket costs. Now, if you don't think you're going to have much in the way of medical expenses, that may be fine. But people should be aware that if they buy a plan that only costs $40 or $50 a month, they may have a $5,000 or $10,000 deductible before the plan starts paying benefits.
The other is that some of these less expensive plans come with very limited lists of doctors and hospitals. So if you have a particular doctor or hospital you know you want to use, you should check that before you sign up. http://www.npr.org/2013/10/11/.....to-shop-for-coverage
GE Deductibles now around $2200 and up, depending on the plan for the last several years. CVS deductibles $2000, long before ObamaCare. GM, IBM, most major employers are in the thousands. Because of ObamaCare???
Consider this. When in 2005 when George Worst Bush was sworn in, the average deductible was $770. No ObamaCare. In 2010, when Obamacare was still being negotiated, that average had risen to $1200, and rising, still without ObamaCare. Total health benefit costs rose 6.9% in 2010, up from 5.5% in 2009. A study by Mercer found that employers anticipate they will spend about 5.9% more per employee on health care in 2011, after shifting some costs to workers and making other changes. About 2% of that increase is pegged to complying with certain provisions of the health-care overhaul law.
Other information from that 2010 Mercer study: ~ The biggest employers (20,000-plus employees) are boosting enrollment in high-deductible plans linked to health savings accounts more quickly than medium or small businesses. (As did GE, CVS, GM etc)
~ Employers like these plans: they cost less. The per-employee cost of a PPO is $8,781 this year, vs. $8,892 for an HMO and $6,759 for the high-deductible plans with health savings accounts. (The cost includes employer contributions to HSAs.)
~ Employers are stepping up efforts to participate in wellness programs such as health risk assessments and disease management programs — and they’re offering carrots including cash (an average of about $75) or an average premium reduction of $180. Among the largest employers, 28% have lower premiums for nonsmokers. (Of course, a non-smoker’s carrot is a smoker’s stick.)
All this before ObamaCare!
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
The ACA is going to fail, not because of price spikes to current policy holders or Hannity or Rush or Levin or Fox News, but because it requires those that are young to pay for those that are old.
No 20something is going to pay, AT THE VERY LEAST, $250/mo. for insurance. These prices are going to skyrocket because of simple demographics, and in 20 years (my retirement age) there will be MANY more reaching retirement age than there will be younger people paying into this deeply flawed system.
"Approval ratings go up and down for various reasons... An example is the high post 911 support for GWB even though he could be said to be responsible for the event." --- Box A Rox '9/11 Truther'
Melania is a bimbo... she is there to look at, not to listen to. --- Box A Rox and his 'War on Women'
I tried an experiment and shopped on the exchange for Allison and Kurt. Assuming they don’t smoke and have a household income too high to be eligible for subsidies, I found that they would be able to get a plan for around $7,600, which would include coverage for their uninsured daughter. This would be about a 60 percent reduction from what they would have to pay on the pre-Obamacare market.
WHY SHOULD I HAVE TO GET SUBSIDIES....like clipping fu(king coupons....what is too high income....AGAIN with the value game the government still controls your value...get it?
just a straight up product...no subsidies because now with the subsidies the politicians will fu(king bring it to every god damn podium every election time like they do SS and medicare....they are like the pressure locks on a pressure cooker...
should we let off the steam? tighten it down? turn up the heat? lower the heat? blah blah blah......
the levels of income and the subsidies game DOESN'T DECREASE THE COST OF HEALTH INSURANCE.....THEY STILL GET THE SAME FU(KING AMOUNT OF $$$ THAT WE WILL STILL BE PAYING FOR....just like the cost of my homeowners insurance doubled after 9/11....aren't we finished paying for that sh!t yet? OH WAIT....NO WE'RE NOT....I'M STILL PAYING FOR THOSE SPECIAL BENEFITS OF SURVIVORS.....it never never never goes down.....
again...will NYS remove it's no fault clause/collection? probably NOT....even with everyone getting their medical bills paid for the gumbas don't want to loose that protection money.....
...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......
The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.
STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS
The ACA is going to fail, not because of price spikes to current policy holders or Hannity or Rush or Levin or Fox News, but because it requires those that are young to pay for those that are old.
No 20 something is going to pay, AT THE VERY LEAST, $250/mo. for insurance. These prices are going to skyrocket because of simple demographics, and in 20 years (my retirement age) there will be MANY more reaching retirement age than there will be younger people paying into this deeply flawed system.
I was in Montreal last December and got in a conversation with 3 young (20-25 year old) waiters about ObamaCare. These men all were puzzled about why anyone would be against a universal health plan. These men had always had Canadian universal health care and couldn't understand why any American would oppose it. They said that in the US almost no waiters were covered by employee health insurance. They surmised that possibly it was an age related problem where the OLD didn't want to pay for the YOUNG to be covered.
Much of the opposition of ObamaCare can be traced to Right Wing Lies. Remember Bimbo Palin's "death panels"? ObamaCare has enough problems on it's own, but add to that Right Wing Propaganda, and you can understand why so many people are confused by it.
I've read similar stories when Medicare was introduced, and I assume that, like medicare, the propaganda against ObamaCare will subside when America sees the benefit of the plan.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
medicare sets the guidelines as to who has worthy risks for procedures...these are 'experts' telling you what you can have done and when....with cadillac insurance you can have more choice....medicare is an assembly line...those 20 somethings don't even have an idea of person choice...they accept the 'limits' set by the experts...which is fine...like cattle you get branded, either by age, diagnosis and other co-morbidities ..... I know this because I work in healthcare and medicare has limits and tell you your worth regardless of what you want....
you become a stat...much like your credit score....you call that health'care'...I call that health insurance dictation.....
...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......
The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.
STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS
"While Foreign Terrorists were plotting to murder and maim using homemade bombs in Boston, Democrap officials in Washington DC, Albany and here were busy watching ME and other law abiding American Citizens who are gun owners and taxpayers, in an effort to blame the nation's lack of security on US so that they could have a political scapegoat."
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