Quoted from bumblethru

'there is no honor in war'.

Making this political is shameful...........it diminishes the personal heartache.  

EXACTLY...THERE IS NO HONOR IN WAR and I know of no one that has been in a war zone
that feels any different.  I would have no respect for someone that felt differently about war!

POLITICAL...exactly....when a mentality is to only look at something with a political view,
then a person is making it political and as a result they fail to accept the truth behind
the meaning of honoring a person outside of the political realm!

Your Grandfather sounds like a great person, and stating it or not, I believe
you honestly do/did honor him!

My grandparents were great people!! The best!!  They made the best of a severely damaged, difficult life after war.

And this is not, nor should it  be a political discussion....it IS personal!! My grandfather would be appalled to read this  board.

Quoted from bumblethru

My grandparents were great people!! The best!!  They made the best of a severely damaged, difficult life after war.

And this is not, nor should it  be a political discussion....it IS personal!! My grandfather would be appalled to read this  board.

Then you shouldn't have posted his life story here.

Quoted from CICERO

Who are the board "TeaBaggers".  This should be interesting.lol

Still no answer from the shill in a box.

Quoted from Libertarian4life

Still no answer from the shill in a box.

And now we know who is #2!  

#3?

Quoted from bumblethru

I'm confused here..........am I suppose to be 'compelled' to honor veterans?  

My grandfather was in the battle of the  bulge under patton........he came home with pts....shock treatments......screwed up the rest of his life! He was  but an 20 year old KID, leaving a pregnant wife behind. His experience was so horrific...that he hardly ever mentioned it. I loved him to death.....HONESTLY.....but I didn't honor him..........I felt sorry for him and do up to this day!!!

My father, my older brother, both grandfathers and 2 uncles were in the military.

One of the uncles recently retired from the military. He enlisted around 1960.

I try not to hold it against them.

They all chose to support the taking of lives as a solution to problems.

I cannot support any profession that knowingly (accidentally)kills innocent people repeatedly,
and accept the loss of innocent lives as collateral damages.

Self defense, or defending yourself from an imminent threat is a different story.

No Iraqi ever harmed any Americans. We decimated their country.

In search of WMDs, we called it fake self defense of course.

Performing actions known to likely kill the innocent, as a reaction to the actions
of others is terrorism.

Killing a person that is a direct threat is self defense.

Killing people who have done nothing to you, and will likely never even affect your
life whatsoever, is acceptable behavior to terrorists.

Quoted from Box A Rox

And now we know who is #2!  

#3?

Yep, I must be one of them there Libertarian Tea baggers.

Another epic fail

Quoted from Box A Rox

Q.
What is the difference between a TeaBagger and a Libertarian???
A.
~   A Libertarian can actually tell you the difference, the Teabagger must be told.
~   Libertarian's own a bong Teabagger's get an extra 6 pack of Beer.
~   The average Libertarian actually thinks about the "big government" issues
~  Teabaggers are so-called "family values" Xtians. Libertarians worship Ayn Rand, & now, apparently
Rand Paul.
~  The Tea Bagged Party is against everything that affords us an avenue to become a modern society...
things like knowledge, open mindedness, science, intellectualism...
~  Libertarians are just uppity teabaggers  Simply because they read Ayn Rand and are under the
delusion that they possess critical thinking skills.

You have failed once again.

Real Libertarians don't worship the ideas set forth by Ayn Rand.

Glenn Beck is an example of an Ayn Rand supporter.

Ayn Rand supported using the government, the law
and anything else to better yourself at the
expense of others. This is selfish individualism.

She also supported incorporating yourself for "more
equal than others", treatment under the law.

She claimed to support absolute free trade and a
free market, while advocating government protectionism
by way of patents and copyright. The protectionism
adds false value to otherwise ordinary goods or ideas.

Ayn Rand was a total contradiction. Her ideas are
based on the me first idea, thereby using any means
necessary to gain an advantage on others.

Individualism using the power of laws and government
is hardly individualism.

A proper Libertarian view would be free markets and
free trade with all parties being treated as equals.

She failed to recognize that government protectionism
is, in fact, the use of force on others.

The force of government laws and favoritism/denial.

Not a Libertarian concept at all.

I never read one word of Ayn Rand.  Phew!!!  I'm not a "Teabagger".

Quoted from CICERO

I never read one word of Ayn Rand.  Phew!!!  I'm not a "Teabagger".

Cicero hasn't read much of anything... When you know it all, reading is pointless!