Ha ha ha if it was great, Cuomo wouldn't be letting it go to Schenectady. Hee hee. Too bad you don't understand the deleterious effects of all the handouts downtown on the rest of the city. Did you clean the scribbles off your precious wall on the Rotterdam portion of the bridge yet? Or was it you who scribbled on it? No wonder you wanted a wall there. Ha ha ha.

hell, just give that hotel on the river in scotia tax exempt status - the movies dvor wants to see or be part of are reportedly made in hotel rooms

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hell, just give that hotel on the river in scotia tax exempt status - the movies dvor wants to see or be part of are reportedly made in hotel rooms

That explains his cheering for taxpayers to foot the bill.  

"A blockbuster for Sch'dy
Sunday, September 29, 2013 Schenectady Gazette
  
Hollywood on the Mohawk? A major California entertainment company creating a $69 million television and film studio in Schenectady? Sounds like former Mayor Frank Duci’s fanciful idea of many years ago to bring the Emmy Awards Show to Schenectady. But this actually seems possible. The stars, Hollywood and otherwise, may now be aligned for Schenectady.

The company is Pacifica Ventures. Besides owning studios in California, it has recently built them in Albuquerque, N.M. (where it produces this year’s Emmy Award-winner “Breaking Bad”), Philadelphia and South Windsor, Ct.

What do these places have in common? They’re located in states that provide healthy tax credits for production and post-production, as New York state now does, thanks to legislation championed by Gov. Cuomo and passed by lawmakers last year. The new law increased the maximum post-production tax credit to 30 percent from 10 percent in the New York City region, and to 35 percent upstate in an attempt to spur more development in economically struggling areas. Schenectady surely qualifies as one of those.

And facilities like these surely are a boon to the local economy, not only bringing plenty of good-paying jobs (an estimated 1,000 in this case) but spending freely on food and housing for crews, construction materials for sets, etc. And attracting tourists. Schenectady has already seen some of this with last year’s filming of “The Place Beyond the Pines,” and liked what it saw. And the people from Pacifica Ventures, who were here at the time, liked what they saw of Schenectady and its welcoming attitude toward that entertainment project.

They also liked the site they were shown, 60 acres of former industrial space (the old Alco plant) overlooking the river. Pacifica would use 10 of those acres; the rest would go for an already-planned mixed-use development, including a hotel, apartments, offices, commercial space, bike path and marina, that Schenectady has been anxiously awaiting.

Pacifica is looking for a $15 million grant from the state. There was a time not long ago when there wouldn’t have been much question about it getting it. The governor or some powerful politician like Joe Bruno would simply bless the project and the money would be awarded. But now there is a process, started by Cuomo, where regional economic development councils prioritize their proposed projects and then those projects compete with those of other councils for state money.

The Capital Region Economic Development Council last week made Pacifica’s one of its top priority projects, and redeveloping the Alco site has been a priority for it all along. The Pacifica plan deserves state funding, not as part of a political deal but on the merits."



Well, nothing like another Gazetto Puff-Up to get the ball rolling eh?

I'm sure spending $15 million dollars in taxpayer money seems like a good deal for a Gillen-Inspired 1,000 job 'estimation'...but in my opinion, for $15 million, we should be talking 10,000+ jobs.

Love it how Joe Bruno's name came up...like he's the thug who can get money for said projects. That name was replaced long ago by Galesi.

Bet Morris is having a hissy fit at loss over an "arts" handout....

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"A blockbuster for Sch'dy

Pacifica is looking for a $15 million grant from the state. There was a time not long ago when there wouldn’t have been much question about it getting it. The governor or some powerful politician like Joe Bruno would simply bless the project and the money would be awarded. But now there is a process, started by Cuomo, where regional economic development councils prioritize their proposed projects and then those projects compete with those of other councils for state money.

The Capital Region Economic Development Council last week made Pacifica’s one of its top priority projects, and redeveloping the Alco site has been a priority for it all along. The Pacifica plan deserves state funding, not as part of a political deal but on the merits."



I'm sure spending $15 million dollars in taxpayer money seems like a good deal for a Gillen-Inspired 1,000 job 'estimation'...but in my opinion, for $15 million, we should be talking 10,000+ jobs.

The $15 million is the state grant money.

Metroplex and the Economic Development Agency will likely give them grants, a zero interest
loan and arts related permanent tax exemption ststus.

The scum nayboobs are jealous that another good thing is coming to Schenectady.  So they have to scream and  stamp their feet and cry like the dirty diaper babies that they are.

Quoted from DemocraticVoiceOfReason

The scum nayboobs are jealous that another good thing is coming to Schenectady.  So they have to scream and  stamp their feet and cry like the dirty diaper babies that they are.

Good thing?  When's the last time you opened your property and school tax bill?  

I really can't listen to somebody's opinion that doesn't have to work to raise a family and the costs associated with it.  Then you might realize that all these "good things" coming to Schenectady does ZERO for the vast majority of families and enriches the few in the political class.  The real scum are those at Town Hall that have the gull to propose a budget the gives a 10% pay increase to people with salaries that are already double the town residents average income.

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Good thing?  When's the last time you opened your property and school tax bill?  

I really can't listen to somebody's opinion that doesn't have to work to raise a family and the costs associated with it.  Then you might realize that all these "good things" coming to Schenectady does ZERO for the vast majority of families and enriches the few in the political class.  The real scum are those at Town Hall that have the gull to propose a budget the gives a 10% pay increase to people with salaries that are already double the town residents average income.

Since I work and pay taxes, you must be speaking about somebody else.

I can't believe that you don't understand that creating jobs and economic activity is a GOOD THING for the area.  So I guess that you and your whining nayboob pals really don't want progress or improvement.

Quoted from DemocraticVoiceOfReason

I can't believe that you don't understand that creating jobs and economic activity is a GOOD THING for the area.  So I guess that you and your whining nayboob pals really don't want progress or improvement.

Transferring money from the property owner through PILOTS, exemptions, and subsidies is not real job creation, it is not improvement.  The overall wealth of Schenectady isn't increasing.  If that was the case, my taxes would have gone down as these businesses contribute to the tax base., and my expendable income would go up.  If expendable income and wealth went up, Schenectady would see more Bloomingdales opening and less Dollar Generals.  Take a stroll through Rotterdam Square Mall, tell me what you see?

The transfer of wealth from homeowners to businesses creates wage slaves whose labor and property is taxed to keep their standard of living at a level that is just enough to pay for necessities and taxes.  The jobs created do not pay a wage that produces expendable income to move them up the socioeconomic ladder.

Job creation for the sake of job creation isn't success.  In the example of Schenectady it acts as a way to expand the working poor, and make the wealthy wealthier.

Quoted from DemocraticVoiceOfReason

Since I work and pay taxes, you must be speaking about somebody else.

I can't believe that you don't understand that creating jobs and economic activity is a GOOD THING for the area.  So I guess that you and your whining nayboob pals really don't want progress or improvement.

Work?   ROFLMAO    
Definition of working is trying to write fairy tales.

We understand jobs and economic development are good BUT NOT AT TAXPAYER EXPENSE!!!!


Everything that has been done so far in what you call "creating jobs and economic development" has resulted in the followikng:

DRASTICALLY LOWER tax base -  EVIDENCE is found in the assessment roll

MASSIVELY FALLING property value - EVIDENCE is found on the assessment roll and the RAR

People fleeing the city in droves - EVIDENCE is the tons of for-sale signs

Home buyers reluctant to buy in the city - EVIDENCE is the tons of houses that remain unsold after sometimeds years on the market

Home sales down in the city but up outside the city and county - EVIDENCE is the monthly reports of home sales based on deed records (the official source of home sales)

Home sale prices falling in the city but up outside the city - EVIDENCE is in the monthly reports of home sale prices taken from the deed records (the official source of home sale price)

Essential city services beint eliminated - EVIDENCE - no declarations of of snow emergencies, city failing to keep up the properties it took, road paving not getting done where it is necessary.  City failing to perform a citywide reassessment.

Taxes increasing every year.   EVIDENCE is the tax BILLS (which you know NOTHING about as neither you nor your family were property taxpayers)


THE ABOVE IS WHAT YOUR VERSION of creating jobs and economic development has done!   And I defy you to find one teeny weeny shred of evidence to prove otherwise.

TOTAL SILENCE, will NOT address the FACTS, the TRUTHS, all based on INDISPUTABLE EVIDENCE!

Quoted from CICERO

Transferring money from the property owner through PILOTS, exemptions, and subsidies is not real job creation, it is not improvement.  The overall wealth of Schenectady isn't increasing.  If that was the case, my taxes would have gone down as these businesses contribute to the tax base., and my expendable income would go up.  If expendable income and wealth went up, Schenectady would see more Bloomingdales opening and less Dollar Generals.  Take a stroll through Rotterdam Square Mall, tell me what you see?
......

And how does a NYS $15 million dollar grant help all of the State? It might bring 1,000 jobs to Schenectady. Well, guess what, it probably won't...for years.

Galesi is SALIVATING...ALCO is his project (he'll suck up that $15 million dollar grant along with the sales-tax-brakes he receives on building materials). ALCO will be the same crap Schenectady has already...falling facade buildings like the Broadway DSS and yet ANOTHER Price Chopper.

This is the same rip off, different location and the same players.

Want a movie studio, don't rely up NYS to fund $15 million of it.

Quoted from DemocraticVoiceOfReason

I can't believe that you don't understand that creating jobs and economic activity is a GOOD THING ...  

Stop quoting Obama.

It is not the Schenectady government's job to tax Schenectady people to create jobs and wealth for the other people.

Really, little Obama, we need a government run job creation agency?

You are a federal conservative and a local socialist-liberal.

Quoted from CICERO

Transferring money from the property owner through PILOTS, exemptions, and subsidies is not real job creation, it is not improvement.  The overall wealth of Schenectady isn't increasing.  If that was the case, my taxes would have gone down as these businesses contribute to the tax base., and my expendable income would go up.  If expendable income and wealth went up, Schenectady would see more Bloomingdales opening and less Dollar Generals.  Take a stroll through Rotterdam Square Mall, tell me what you see?

The transfer of wealth from homeowners to businesses creates wage slaves whose labor and property is taxed to keep their standard of living at a level that is just enough to pay for necessities and taxes.  The jobs created do not pay a wage that produces expendable income to move them up the socioeconomic ladder.

Job creation for the sake of job creation isn't success.  In the example of Schenectady it acts as a way to expand the working poor, and make the wealthy wealthier.

DVOR understands the wrongness of federal redistribution of wealth.

He just eats it up with a shovel at the local socialist liberal corporate welfare level.

He woks and pays taxes AKA he gets a small salary for being the token on the
planning committee and pays taxes on that.
Cissy was referring to property and school taxes...DVOR has never and still does not
pay those...although he will tell you he "contributes" to those costs...BS!!!!
Real easy for a jacka$$ that is unaffected in his pocket to make his recommendations....
costs him nothing.

Quoted from DemocraticVoiceOfReason

The scum nayboobs are jealous that another good thing is coming to Schenectady.  So they have to scream and  stamp their feet and cry like the dirty diaper babies that they are.

Another resulting drop in the tax base is a good thing for the city?

Another resulting big tax increase on homeowners is a good thing for the city

More drop in home sales and prices, and more drop in property values is a good thing for the city?



DV, why don't you have the GUTS to elaborate and explain what the ROI is for the homeowners and residents????    Could you please explain, provide financial numbers, include some EVIDENCE to support your statement?


We are not taking ANY bets on when you will provide an answer with the details.