Quoted from CICERO

Oh, you know EVERYBODIES interests.  Even better.

Try not to use "healthcare", it's insurance.  You are misleading.

Try not to use "freedom" when you actually mean "oppression"... it's misleading.

Quoted from Box A Rox

Try not to use "freedom" when you actually mean "oppression"... it's misleading.

How so?  

Quoted from CICERO

How so?  

We will progress past the days of the legal extortion of money from the citizens to give
to the insurance industry, enslaving the people and a percentage of their labor through
insurance premiums to corporations.

Your "freedom" to not pay taxes (even though you suck up the services provided by those
taxes) oppresses those who do pay their share, and now yours.

Quoted from Box A Rox

Is that what I posted??? Of course not.

There are TeaBaggers who are on welfare.
TeaBagger small govt would get rid of welfare.
Those 'gullible' people are voting against their own interest.

There are TeaBaggers who have no health care.
TeaBaggers oppose ObamaCare that would give them health care.
Those 'gullible' people are voting against their own interest.

There are TeaBaggers who are minorities.
TeaBaggers oppose minority rights (voting rights for example)
Those 'gullible' people are voting against their own interest.

so what you're saying is that the abuse of human nature and the acceptance of a stockholm syndrome is OK?

it's like having to take time out of my life to clip coupons so I can save $0.50 on some kind of crappy food so that
I can take that .50 and spend it somewhere else in my life because that value is so important.

or

I can take time out of my life to stand in line for food stamps/welfare/cheese/milk or what ever because that's now
my 'job' in order to survive...and I'm supposed to sit back and say 'thank you daddy government for finding me
so valuable as to stamp a value on me and helping me to understand that the value you put on me is right and
just and in my interest to be treated as a hamster voter.'

same with being a minority(as I am) and thanking the faceless government for placing some kind of projected
subjective value upon me because it is in my interest and good for me. sounds like church to me.

Quoted from Box A Rox

We will progress past the days of the legal extortion of money from the citizens to give
to the insurance industry, enslaving the people and a percentage of their labor through
insurance premiums to corporations.

Your "freedom" to not pay taxes (even though you suck up the services provided by those
taxes) oppresses those who do pay their share, and now yours.

But I'm suggesting equality box.  I'm not suggesting the government extort money from you so they don't extort it from me.  I even want to free YOU from your enslavement.  If YOU and others want government to take your money to give to a corporate insurance company to pay for your medical services- have at it.  See, I support your decision to do that, you are free to voluntarily enslave yourself and give your money to the government to manage your healthcare.  

Quoted from CICERO

But I'm suggesting equality box.  I'm not suggesting the government extort money from you so they don't extort it from me.  I even want to free YOU from your enslavement.  If YOU and others want government to take your money to give to a corporate insurance company to pay for your medical services- have at it.  See, I support your decision to do that, you are free to voluntarily enslave yourself and give your money to the government to manage your healthcare.  

Cissy is swimming upstream and losing ground with every post.

If Cicero didn't want to live in a country with a tax system, then he should move to one that doesn't
have one, or work to change the system as it is here.
He's done neither.  He only cries and complains and sobs.... "Poor me".  

I didn't ask to be born here Cicero, and if I didn't like it here, I'd move or I'd try to change the
system.  
You reap the benefits of the tax system, yet want to take those benefits away from other
Americans.  
Why stay in a country that you hate?

what is the definition of benefit?

Quoted from Box A Rox

I didn't ask to be born here Cicero, and if I didn't like it here, I'd move or I'd try to change the
system.  
You reap the benefits of the tax system, yet want to take those benefits away from other
Americans.  
Why stay in a country that you hate?

I never said I didn't like it here.  I have friends and generations of family and loved ones here.  You are suggesting I leave because of a government? I can make the same argument to you.  If you like a collective centralized government, socialized programs, and high taxation, quit crying and move to Venezuela or Cuba.  

I'm willing to forgo these "benefits" you speak of, as well as supporting your choice to give your money to a central goveremt to manage your healthcare.  You on the other hand do not want that.  You want to FORCE EVERBODY to pay for programs they do not want, and do not want the "benefits" of, because YOU want that money for YOUR benefit.

You are all about me-me-me, and you disguise your greediness by claiming you know what is in everybody's self interest.  You know what is best for 300 million people.  Talk about a person that suffers from delusions of grandeur.

Quoted from CICERO

I'm willing to forgo these "benefits" you speak of, as well as supporting your choice to give your
money to a central government to manage your healthcare.  You on the other hand do not want
that.  You want to FORCE EVERYBODY to pay for programs they do not want, and do not want
the "benefits" of, because YOU want that money for YOUR benefit.

You are all about me-me-me, and you disguise your greediness by claiming you know what is in
everybody's self interest.  You know what is best for 300 million people.  Talk about a person
that suffers from delusions of grandeur.

As posted earlier... Cicero wants HIS benefits, and wants us all to share in the cost of HIS benefits
but he is unwilling to help share paying for anyone else's benefits.

It's all for ME and SCREW YOU!

Again Cicero... If you don't like this democracy, either change it or go to some place where you
would be happy... say Somalia.  They have almost no govt and what little they do have doesn't
work.  

You could also opt to help change this government (as I do) if you don't like the policy here.  You
could support candidates with your view or even run for office if you feel that strongly about
our govt.

Your options seem to be, LEAVE, which you won't do (because you enjoy the benefits of this
country).
OR
Work to change our govt to what you think it should be.  Get involved, support like minded
candidates and write your representatives, attend town meetings etc.
OR
There is a third choice, and I think it's the one that Cicero has chosen in the past and IMO
will continue to follow... do nothing but sob, cry and complain.  Totally ineffective but it
makes Cicero happy to be the "Victim" of his govt... and he seems to enjoy that role.

Keep on using government to extort money for YOUR benefit box, I have a feeling things will come full circle when your government that giveth you your benefits, will also taketh them away.  You will want a special exemption from those "benefits" like your greedy union brethren and rulers in Congress want from Obamacare.

Quoted from Box A Rox

As posted earlier... Cicero wants HIS benefits, and wants us all to share in the cost of HIS benefits
but he is unwilling to help share paying for anyone else's benefits.

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Where does he state that? All I see him saying is that he wishes volunteerism not forced extortion, I'm sure he would be glad to pay for any service he does use. On the other hand you see no problem with people having to pay for a service they might never use once in their life, it is you who wants others to pay for your services.

Quoted from CICERO

Keep on using government to extort money for YOUR benefit box, I have a feeling things will come full circle when your government that giveth you your benefits, will also taketh them away.  You will want a special exemption from those "benefits" like your greedy union brethren and rulers in Congress want from Obamacare.

YUP!!!! stamp the value and accept what they say it is.....

Quoted from Henry

Where does he state that? All I see him saying is that he wishes volunteerism not forced extortion, I'm sure he would be glad to pay for any service he does use. On the other hand you see no problem with people having to pay for a service they might never use once in their life, it is you who wants others to pay for your services.

So you are saying that Cicero would GLADLY pay for the services he uses...
Like medical coverage IF he needed it??? Cissy wants to opt out of services he MAY need UNTIL
he needs them... Then when he is in the hospital in critical condition, he wants to opt IN.

Cicero is still sobbing about the FREE education he received and wants to end that program
now that he's used it.

Quoted from Box A Rox

So you are saying that Cicero would GLADLY pay for the services he uses...
Like medical coverage IF he needed it??? Cissy wants to opt out of services he MAY need UNTIL
he needs them... Then when he is in the hospital in critical condition, he wants to opt IN.

You are assuming I wouldn't voluntarily purchase coverage.  Do I need insurance that covers contraception? No.  Do I need insurance that covers treatment for autism? No.  Do I need insurance that covers maternity care? No.  Does Obamacare mandate ALL insurance policies cover these things?  YES.  Do I have to pay premiums for coverage I WILL NEVER USE?  YES.

So in your "what if" scenario, I can GUARANTEE you, I will NEVER use the services I just listed, but have to pay for.  Are you going to call your representative to give me an exemption?