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The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

John Kenneth Galbraith

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that's because we ALLOW value to be based on the fiat system instead of bartering....and control every f'en thing through
tax collection.....


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

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basically the pope is saying the controls are wrong right now and then the leaders will listen and 'tweek' or 'twerk'  them
for the voters to give thanks to god for the bone they were tossed.....and then be 'blessed'.....

hahahahahahahahaha


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

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The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
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What is greed and who defines it, greed is something different to every person, some might find boxes toys like his skis and jet skis greedy because it is not a necessity and serves no other purpose other then his own enjoyment.


"In the beginning of a change, the Patriot is a scarce man, brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a Patriot."

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What is greed and who defines it, greed is something different to every person, some might find boxes toys like his skis and jet skis greedy because it is not a necessity and serves no other purpose other then his own enjoyment.


The dictionary defines greed, and it applies to everyone.

Greed:
~ excessive or rapacious desire, especially for wealth or possessions.
~ excessive desire, as for wealth or power


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The dictionary defines greed, and it applies to everyone.

Greed:
~ excessive or rapacious desire, especially for wealth or possessions.
~ excessive desire, as for wealth or power


Show me a man who doesn't want a better future for himself and his family and I will show you a liar.


"In the beginning of a change, the Patriot is a scarce man, brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a Patriot."

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Show me a man who doesn't want a better future for himself and his family and I will show you a liar.


Apparently Henry considers "greed" to mean "Wanting a better future".

He's entitled to his opinion, but his version is nothing like the dictionaries definition:

Greed:
~ excessive or rapacious desire, especially for wealth or possessions.
~ excessive desire, as for wealth or power


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Greed isn't a bad thing, nobody here would tell me they wouldn't love to hit the lottery and go buy the things they could never afford. Apparently box has a number in his head which to him is to much for one man, and there is others who would call box greedy for his possessions and his income. As I said greed is what people make of it, its usually the ones who don't have who call greed a bad thing, jealousy comes into play 99% of the time.


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Greed isn't a bad thing, nobody here would tell me they wouldn't love to hit the lottery and go buy the things they could never afford.


You really don't understand the word "GREED" Henry.  Wising for a better life and hoping for a big
lotto win is NOT greed.  

The Dictionary definition seems to be beyond your grasp.  Let me try this:

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There is a sufficiency in the world for man's need but not for man's greed.
Mahatma Gandhi


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Greed is a bottomless pit which exhausts the person in an endless effort to satisfy
the need without ever reaching satisfaction.
Erich Fromm


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I think one of the most pervasive evils in this world is greed and acquiring money for
money's sake. Once you have six houses and a plane, it's just about a number. It's never
been anything I understood.
Kevin Bacon


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For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evils.
1 Timothy 6:10



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One gives freely, yet grows all the richer; another withholds what he should give,
and only suffers want.
Proverbs 11:24




And my personal favorite:
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It is not the man who has little, but he who desires more, that is poor.
- Seneca


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Maybe this will explain Henry's worship of money:

Why Do Christians Worship Greed?
Only in America can one find significant numbers of Christians who argue that unfettered
capitalism represents God's Plan for human thriving.



http://www.alternet.org/story/140135/why_do_christians_worship_greed


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Your quotes sum up everything I said, look at Kevin Bacon's argument, 6 houses is to much, well maybe it is for him because that is his personal opinion of greed, to others it is not. Some millionaires die having enjoyed the money they earned, some millionaires are found dead living off cat food and crackers, both could be called greedy by others standards.


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Your quotes sum up everything I said, look at Kevin Bacon's argument, 6 houses is to much, well maybe it is for him because that is his personal opinion of greed, to others it is not. Some millionaires die having enjoyed the money they earned, some millionaires are found dead living off cat food and crackers, both could be called greedy by others standards.


I wonder if the carpenter, plumber, electrician, roofer, landscaper, furniture manufacturer, etc, that build the houses think six houses are greedy?  I guess they would be greedy too for building the houses.


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I wonder if the carpenter, plumber, electrician, roofer, landscaper, furniture manufacturer, etc, that build the houses think six houses are greedy?  I guess they would be greedy too for building the houses.


Good point


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Now...if you work for a weapons manufacturer, and the USG contracts that company to build the best, most sophisticated killing device, and spends billions doing it, is that greedy?  Or is making a living making deadly weapons just immoral and not greedy?  I'd like to hear the Pope's POV.


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