Huh??? The kid is an adult. The father is responsible for the sins of his son? I guess if he bought him a bottle of liquor for his birthday and he killed somebody in a drunk driving accident, the father is responsible for that too. Man, you statists are all the same.
Call me a statist will you. Well let me tell you something you wannabe "Sovereign citizen"
Want to use the drunk driving analogy?
The father didn't give him the bottle of liquor. The father gave the keys to the car to the obvious drunk who then went out and killed somebody.
"Approval ratings go up and down for various reasons... An example is the high post 911 support for GWB even though he could be said to be responsible for the event." --- Box A Rox '9/11 Truther'
Melania is a bimbo... she is there to look at, not to listen to. --- Box A Rox and his 'War on Women'
Call me a statist will you. Well let me tell you something you wannabe "Sovereign citizen"
Want to use the drunk driving analogy?
The father didn't give him the bottle of liquor. The father gave the keys to the car to the obvious drunk who then went out and killed somebody.
So much for that "personal responsibility" that you neocons preach. It's the dad's fault - jail him!
I guess with your analogy, you are suggesting the father gave his son the gun as a gift, knowing his son was planning to go into a church and smoke 9 people?
Neocons can always find a reason to jail somebody. Or bomb them for that matter.
NRA Blames Charleston Church Victims For Their Own Deaths
Charles Cotton, a board member of the NRA, said that Reverend Clementa Pinckney, a state senator, was not just to blame for his own death, but that of the other eight victims. According to Cotton: ~ "And he (Pinkney) voted against concealed-carry. Eight of his church members who might be alive if he had expressly allowed members to carry handguns in church are dead. Innocent people died because of his position on a political issue." ~
In the NRA view, you are being irresponsible if you go to church unarmed. If some criminal shoots you, it's your own damn fault!
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
NRA Blames Charleston Church Victims For Their Own Deaths
Charles Cotton, a board member of the NRA, said that Reverend Clementa Pinckney, a state senator, was not just to blame for his own death, but that of the other eight victims. According to Cotton: ~ "And he (Pinkney) voted against concealed-carry. Eight of his church members who might be alive if he had expressly allowed members to carry handguns in church are dead. Innocent people died because of his position on a political issue." ~
In the NRA view, you are being irresponsible if you go to church unarmed. If some criminal shoots you, it's your own damn fault!
Guess this proves that 'Gun Free Zones' are just as effective in churches as they are in schools.
"Approval ratings go up and down for various reasons... An example is the high post 911 support for GWB even though he could be said to be responsible for the event." --- Box A Rox '9/11 Truther'
Melania is a bimbo... she is there to look at, not to listen to. --- Box A Rox and his 'War on Women'
Guess this proves that 'Gun Free Zones' are just as effective in churches as they are in schools.
No it proves that the NRA's answer to guns killing Americans is to arm everyone... Since they represent the gun manufacturers and chemical companies, they are protecting their lobby's interests. They have no interest in limiting or ending gun violence in America.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
Every year in the U.S., an average of more than 100,000 people are shot. Every day in the U.S., an average of 289 people are shot. Eighty-six of them die: 30 are murdered, 53 kill themselves, two die accidentally, and one is shot in a police intervention.
Between 2000 and 2010, a total of 335,609 people died from guns
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
No it proves that the NRA's answer to guns killing Americans is to arm everyone... Since they represent the gun manufacturers and chemical companies, they are protecting their lobby's interests. They have no interest in limiting or ending gun violence in America.
The gun is an instrument, it is NOT the reason people kill. Maybe we should start looking at the CAUSE of the violence instead of an instrument to commit it.
"Arguing with liberals is like playing chess with a pigeon; no matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock out the pieces, crap on the board, and strut around like it is victorious." - Author Unknown
The gun is an instrument, it is NOT the reason people kill. Maybe we should start looking at the CAUSE of the violence instead of an instrument to commit it.
The cause??? In the case of the Charleston shooting, the CAUSE was RACISM. The means? His dad gave him a gun. Had he not had a gun, those 9 people would be alive today.
So... Hell YEA... take a look and do something about the CAUSE, and I'll continue to try to do something about the MEANS.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
The cause??? In the case of the Charleston shooting, the CAUSE was RACISM. The means? His dad gave him a gun. Had he not had a gun, those 9 people would be alive today.
So... Hell YEA... take a look and do something about the CAUSE, and I'll continue to try to do something about the MEANS.
You have no idea if he would have said "oh, well" if he didn't have access to guns. It was mentioned that MLK Jr delivered a Eulogy in the same church for 4 black girls...who were killed by a BOMB exploding in a church...guns laws didn't work in that case, did they?
Racism itself has a cause, you can't just say "lets get rid of racism" without understanding the contributing issues.
"Arguing with liberals is like playing chess with a pigeon; no matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock out the pieces, crap on the board, and strut around like it is victorious." - Author Unknown
The cause??? In the case of the Charleston shooting, the CAUSE was RACISM. The means? His dad gave him a gun. Had he not had a gun, those 9 people would be alive today.
So... Hell YEA... take a look and do something about the CAUSE, and I'll continue to try to do something about the MEANS.
He could have had a pressure cooker filled with explosives and shrapnel. Those 9 people plus another 9 people could be dead.
Good luck trying to do something about the means to murder. This demented guy could have waited until the church service was over, and used his car to run down the crowds exiting the church.
Btw...didn't you post something about spinning this to fit an agenda? Hmmm. Luckily you aren't doing that.
Until responsible gun owners support responsible gun control laws, innocent blood will continue to flow. How many times must we see this? Too many closed minds on gun control. Worse, far too many PROUDLY closed minds. Meanwhile, the American shooting gallery remains open.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
The gun is an instrument, it is NOT the reason people kill. Maybe we should start looking at the CAUSE of the violence instead of an instrument to commit it.
The old MYTH that "gun control won’t stop gun violence."
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There are more than three times as many Americans killed by guns per capita than in any other wealthy nation, and more than ten times the rate in comparable larger countries such as Britain, France and Japan.
Many of these countries have similar problems with crime, drugs, urban deprivation and youth violence, others are more peaceful, but there is one simple thing that countries with less gun violence have in common with each other: they have fewer guns.
No one can predict the future of a more gun-constrained America with certainty, but the evidence from dozens of comparable societies points to a clear causal relationship between access to firearms and how often they are used.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
The old MYTH that "gun control won’t stop gun violence."
Hey Trunk of Trona, when you provide a quote, could you at least include the source of that quote? It really would be helpful for further research. TIA
"I saw the best minds of my generation destroyed by madness, starving hysterical naked, dragging themselves through the negro streets at dawn looking for an angry fix,"
The old MYTH that "gun control won’t stop gun violence."
So it is an inherent human condition that crosses all nations and cultures, that if you permit people to buy guns, they will inevitably turn into violent crazed killers and start shooting people with them? If I was British, French, or Japanese, I would be offended that you believe the mere possession of a gun would turn me and the country I live in violent.
So if France, Britian, and Japan had US gun laws, they would have the exact same rate of gun violence?
NRA Starts Up Their sh*t About What Would Be Even Greater Injustice NEWS IN BRIEF June 19, 2015 Vol 51 Issue 24 News · Death · Guns · Violence
FAIRFAX, VA—In the wake of Wednesday’s mass shooting that left nine dead at a church in South Carolina, sources confirmed today that National Rifle Association officials had already started up with their sh*t about what would be an even greater injustice. “What happened in Charleston is a terrible tragedy, but what would be even worse is if we reacted to this event by passing laws infringing on our constitutional rights,” said NRA board member Charles Cotton, who, right on cue, let loose the same predictable flood of steaming horseshit about how the real threat facing Americans comes from legislators who would attempt to restrict access to firearms. “While we mourn those killed, we should never let an incident like this distract from our defense of [the fact that I myself am a pile of human waste who is fundamentally incapable of responding to the deaths of innocent people without raw, putrid sewage gushing from my mouth].” At press time, the NRA had called on Congress to honor the victims of Wednesday’s shooting by passing a law ensuring that citizens can protect themselves by carrying semi-automatic weapons into all houses of worship.
"I saw the best minds of my generation destroyed by madness, starving hysterical naked, dragging themselves through the negro streets at dawn looking for an angry fix,"
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