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Oregon Governor Kate Brown on Monday signed into law a bill that will require background
checks on nearly all gun buyers in the state.

The Oregon Firearms Safety Act expands background check requirements, already in place at
stores and gun shows in the state, to include person-to-person and online gun sales.

“The bill provides a common-sense approach to accomplishing that goal without interfering
with the lawful right of citizens to bear arms,” said Brown, a Democrat who took office in
February after her predecessor resigned in an influence-peddling scandal.

The bill provides several exemptions, including gun loans for usage at shooting ranges or for
hunting, or transfers between family members.

Supporters say that tighter background checks are key to preventing violence by people
already prohibited from owning guns, such as those with domestic violence or felony
convictions.


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

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but wait she didn't go far enough no 7 round limit and a ban on assault rifles (you know those big scary black guns with the pistol grips on them) and their highly lethal high capacity magazines, and what about ammo sales records, and the registering of specific models of firearms even though you can get the same weapon with out the scary features....OREGON is not taking safety very seriously
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but wait she didn't go far enough no 7 round limit and a ban on assault rifles (you know those big scary black guns with the pistol grips on them) and their highly lethal high capacity magazines, and what about ammo sales records, and the registering of specific models of firearms even though you can get the same weapon with out the scary features....OREGON is not taking safety very seriously


Yes it is strange that GunHuggers are obsessed with Big Scary Black Guns, with Pistol Grips on them.
They are buying them in record numbers cause... Obama's Gonna Take Yur Gunz!!!  



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http://nypost.com/2015/05/13/cops-shoot-hammer-wielding-suspect-in-midtown/

Cops kill hammer-wielding suspect in Midtown
Police on Tuesday shot and killed the hammer-wielding maniac who has been randomly attacking Manhattan pedestrians, law enforcement sources said.
The suspect, identified as 30-year-old David Baril, was shot by an NYPD officer near the corner of 37th Street and Eighth Avenue a little before 10 a.m., sources said.
Two officers recognized the suspect from pictures released by the NYPD and stopped to question him, law enforcement sources said.
A short time later, the man pulled out his hammer and took a swing at officer Lauren O’Rouke with the claw end of the tool, sources said.
He missed, as O’Rouke’s partner Geraldo Casaigne pulled his weapon, fired and struck the suspect.
He was rushed to Bellevue Hospital, where he was procounced dead, law enforcement sources said.
Both officers are stationed at the Midtown South precinct.


That safe act has sent them to the next best thing....ban all hammers
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That safe act has sent them to the next best thing....ban all hammers


Definitely background checks and licenses to carry hammers...Especially assault claw hammers.


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Definitely background checks and licenses to carry hammers...Especially assault claw hammers.


Background checks would help nothing when a GunHugger uses a hammer:
"Really officer... I was just holding the hammer and it went off, hitting him in the head... 17 times.
It was an accident!"


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Background checks would help nothing when a GunHugger uses a hammer:
"Really officer... I was just holding the hammer and it went off, hitting him in the head... 17 times.
It was an accident!"


Or if cops carried hammers:

"Really internal investigator...the perp had a steak knife and I feared for my safety, I had to smash him in the head 26 times".  Internal investigator: "oh...ok...that falls under justifiable use of force - have a nice day".


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We don't have to put up with this carnage, but the NRA is hoping we nothing.


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

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human on human violence will never end, since carnage can be caused by many means not just guns.

If someone is hell bent on killing people for what ever reason the taking of guns from the "huggers" is not going to solve this, and in fact it may lessen its effect if someone has the chance to make a difference.

Dr. Suzanna Hupp Testimony Before Congress
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DEJFAvA-ZUE
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We don't have to put up with this carnage, but the NRA is hoping we nothing.


61% of all gun-related deaths in the U.S. are suicides.

Former and current military suicides account for over 6,000 of these gun deaths.

The leading cause of death using firearms is veteran suicide.

Out of 20,000 deaths per year by firearms, murder accounts for less than 2,500 per year.

Box loves to target legal gun owners, knowing full well that veterans and the police take 4 times as many lives as murderers do.

Box's claim of over 9,000 murders a year is completely false.

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61% of all gun-related deaths in the U.S. are suicides.
Out of 20,000 deaths per year by firearms, murder accounts for less than 2,500 per year.
Box's claim of over 9,000 murders a year is completely false.


I usually ignore L4Life's posts, but in the event that others might think that his data is factual,
I decided to post the actual facts.

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Since the CDC began publishing data in 1981, gun suicides have outnumbered gun homicides.
But as gun homicides have declined sharply in recent years, suicides have become a greater
share of all firearm deaths: the 61% share in 2010 was the highest on record.
That year there were 19,392 suicides by firearm compared to 11,078 homicides by gun
(35% of all firearm deaths).

The rest were accidents, police shootings and unknown causes.


My data is from Pew Research... L4Life's data is from his imagination!  
Pew Research Center, May 2013
http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2013/05/24/suicides-account-for-most-gun-deaths/


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
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We don't have to put up with this carnage, but the NRA is hoping we nothing.


Suicides are blamed on guns in the US, so you would THINK that since Finland has so few gun deaths that suicides would follow that... you would be wrong then... Finland is 20th in the world for suicide rate, the US is 30th...
The act is suicide, the gun is just one of many instruments to perform that act.


"Arguing with liberals is like playing chess with a pigeon; no matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock out the pieces, crap on the board, and strut around like it is victorious." - Author Unknown
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Suicides are blamed on guns in the US, so you would THINK that since Finland has so few gun deaths that suicides would follow that... you would be wrong then... Finland is 20th in the world for suicide rate, the US is 30th...
The act is suicide, the gun is just one of many instruments to perform that act.


L4Life is the one pushing his Suicide post.
My post was about murders by guns.


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There were 19,392 firearm-related suicides in the U.S. in 2010

Keeping in mind that those 19,392 firearm related suicides are only 61% of all firearm related deaths;

That means that the total firearm related deaths were actually 31,800.(homicides)

You don't get to pick and choose parts of data and present it as a summary.

CDC.gov has graphs showing that over 2.5% of all American men commit suicide each year.

Most of them were veterans, every single year.

Homicides are not murder.

Murder is a subset of homicides.

Suicide is a subset of homicides as well.

Suicide with guns is the bigger issue, but Box totally doesn't target them.

His 7 round clip limit won't ever in a thousand years, prevent one single suicide.

Every hour of every single day of every single year another current or former military veteran takes his own life.

Since the invasion of Iraq, suicide by veterans has taken more lives that the actual invasion and occupation of both Iraq and Afghanistan.

Just because they didn't take place on the battlefield does not exclude them from being part of the death toll.

Has the benefits of US intervention around the world for the last decade justify continuing to act in a manner known to likely cause over 100,000 lives?

I don't understand Box's need to hide these deaths. That will not solve anything.

More veterans die from suicide each and every 6 months, than all the people who died on 9/11.

But 8 bullets in my clip is the big issue.
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Quoted from 55tbird


Suicides are blamed on guns in the US, ...


The leading cause of suicides by a mile, is being current or former military.

While it is true there is no exact proof that simply being in the military makes you much more likely to kill yourself, there is actual factual data showing a resultant correlation, that lists most suicides by far are veterans.

Maybe it has nothing to do with the actual act of being in the military at all. Perhaps just being raised by pro-military parents may inspire you to join the military, thereby adding you to the "most likely to" category.

Regardless, the system is broken.

Thousands and thousands of veterans dying in a steady stream, outnumbering all the murders in the US, plus, all the countries listed in box's selective fact sheet.

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