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Possibly so...

The 'war crimes' referred to are:
" Cheney and a number of CIA agents who did what they did in those so-called black holes .”

Do you contend that Obama is continuing  'rendition'  and torture as a policy?  


Oh, I don't know if Obama continued the Bill Clinton 'rendition' torture program.  Obama certainly dropped bombs on sovereign countries killing countless civilians.

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12/29/05 "ABC" -- -- The US Central Intelligence Agency's (CIA) controversial "rendition" program was launched under US president Bill Clinton, a former US counter-terrorism agent has told a German newspaper.

Michael Scheuer, a 22-year veteran of the CIA who resigned from the agency in 2004, has told Die Zeit that the US administration had been looking in the mid-1990s for a way to combat the terrorist threat and circumvent the cumbersome US legal system.

"President Clinton, his national security adviser Sandy Berger and his terrorism adviser Richard Clark ordered the CIA in the autumn of 1995 to destroy Al Qaeda," Mr Scheuer said.

"We asked the president what we should do with the people we capture. Clinton said 'That's up to you'."

Mr Scheuer, who headed the CIA unit that tracked Al Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden from 1996 to 1999, says he developed and led the "renditions" program.

He says the program includes moving prisoners without due legal process to countries without strict human rights protections.

"In Cairo, people are not treated like they are in Milwaukee," he said.

"The Clinton administration asked us if we believed that the prisoners were being treated in accordance with local law.

"And we answered, 'yes, we're fairly sure'."

He says at the time the CIA did not arrest or imprison anyone itself.

"That was done by the local police or secret services," he said, adding the prisoners were never taken to US


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Oh, I don't know if Obama continued the Bill Clinton 'rendition' torture program.  Obama certainly dropped bombs on sovereign countries killing countless civilians.



Yes he did, but that isn't what is being suggested as a war crime for Dick (shoot em in the face) Cheney.

The 'war crimes' referred to are:
" Cheney and a number of CIA agents who did what they did in those so-called black holes .”


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

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Yes he did, but that isn't what is being suggested as a war crime for Dick (shoot em in the face) Cheney.

The 'war crimes' referred to are:
" Cheney and a number of CIA agents who did what they did in those so-called black holes .”


Yes, the so-called black holes aka "overseas torture centers"...The same overseas torture centers the CIA ran and that Clinton presided over.  I know he's suggesting Cheney be tried for his crime, but Clinton would have to be tried for the same crime.   HENCE - Nothing will happen.  


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Republican Fascists

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The GOP tends to preach and practice intolerance, xenophobia, nationalism and anti-democratic
values (i.e., voter suppression). In many ways, the GOP is anti-enlightenment, and embraces
passion over reason. The dangerous denial of climate change and other scientific facts seems to
come out of the corrupt alliance of anti-intellectual traditionalism and corporate influence (i.e.,
oil and gas).

Now, the fact of the matter is that fascism died in the mid-20th century. The GOP are obviously
not fascists, but they share a family resemblance. As stated above, the base have many similar
passions — traditionalism, nationalism, intolerance towards immigrants or minorities. They react
with hostility towards the social progress of others and largely believe in a ‘survival of the fittest’
ideology.


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

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The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
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9 of 12 States With Highest Unemployment Are Run By Republicans

New state unemployment statistics revealed that the fastest way to sink an economy is to vote for
Republican candidates.
Here are the 12 states with a higher than the national average unemployment rate of 5.0%:
1). West Virginia (D) (6.9%)
2). Alaska (R) (6.4%)
3). Arizona (R) (6.1%)
4). Louisiana (R) (6.2%)
5). Nevada (R) (6.6%)
6). Alabama (R) (5.9%)
7). Georgia (R) (5.7%)
8). New Mexico (R) (6.8%)
9). Mississippi (R) (5.9%)
10). North Carolina (R) (5.7%)
11). Oregon (D) (6.0%)
12). California (D) (5.8%)
States with Republican governors tend to lag behind the national economy. The fastest way for voters to
kill economic growth is to vote a Republican into office.


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9 of 12 States With Highest Unemployment Are Run By Republicans

New state unemployment statistics revealed that the fastest way to sink an economy is to vote for
Republican candidates.
Here are the 12 states with a higher than the national average unemployment rate of 5.0%:
1). West Virginia (D) (6.9%)
2). Alaska (R) (6.4%)
3). Arizona (R) (6.1%)
4). Louisiana (R) (6.2%)
5). Nevada (R) (6.6%)
6). Alabama (R) (5.9%)
7). Georgia (R) (5.7%)
8). New Mexico (R) (6.8%)
9). Mississippi (R) (5.9%)
10). North Carolina (R) (5.7%)
11). Oregon (D) (6.0%)
12). California (D) (5.8%)
States with Republican governors tend to lag behind the national economy. The fastest way for voters to
kill economic growth is to vote a Republican into office.


15 of 25 States With Lowest Unemployment Are Run By Republicans

Here are the 25 states with a lower than the national average unemployment rate of 5.0%:

14 of the top 21 states are run by republican governors. Only 7 democrat run states cracked the top 21.

1 NORTH DAKOTA (2.7)
2 NEBRASKA (2.9)
3 SOUTH DAKOTA (3.0)
4 HAWAII (3.2)
4 NEW HAMPSHIRE (3.2)
6 IOWA (3.4)
7 MINNESOTA (3.5)
7 UTAH (3.5)
9 COLORADO (3.6)
10 VERMONT (3.7)
11 IDAHO (3.9)
12 KANSAS (4.0)
12 MONTANA (4.0)
14 MAINE (4.1)
14 WYOMING (4.1)
16 OKLAHOMA (4.2)
16 VIRGINIA (4.2)
16 WISCONSIN (4.2)
19 INDIANA (4.4)
20 OHIO (4.5)
21 TEXAS (4.6)
22 MASSACHUSETTS (4.7)
22 MISSOURI (4.7)
24 NEW YORK (4.8)
25 KENTUCKY (4.9)

http://www.bls.gov/web/laus/laumstrk.htm


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No Surprise Here... Dummies for Trump



“The latest polls of the Republican presidential primary show a party badly divided by education: Donald Trump’s strong
showings are entirely attributable to huge leads among voters without a college degree, while voters with a degree are split
among several candidates.”
http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-key-to-the-gop-race-the-diploma-divide/?ex_cid=story-twitter


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Republicans Less Likely to Vote in 2016
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A new Reuters/Ipsos poll finds the percentage of Republicans among those likely to vote
in the 2016 election lags Democrats by 9 percentage points, compared with a 6-point deficit
in the year leading up to Barack Obama’s 2012 victory.

Key finding: “While the American electorate has become more diverse the last three years,
the party’s support among Hispanic likely voters and younger likely voters has shrunk significantly.”




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The battle to be the Republican choice for president has been nasty, brutish and anything but short. The hope among some Republicans is that the Iowa caucuses on Monday and the New Hampshire primary on Feb. 9 will promote a candidate who can appeal to the half of their electorate that doesn’t support the two current front-runners.

Those two, Donald Trump and Ted Cruz, are equally objectionable for different reasons. Mr. Trump has neither experience in nor interest in learning about national security, defense or global trade. Even unemployment figures, which he’s pegged at 23 or 42 percent (the correct number is 5 percent) don’t merit his attention.
From deporting Mexican immigrants and barring Muslims to slapping a 45 percent tariff on Chinese imports, Mr. Trump invents his positions as he goes along. His supporters say they don’t care. What they may not know is how deliberately he is currying their favor. At a meeting with The Times’s editorial writers, Mr. Trump talked about the art of applause lines. “You know,” he said of his events, “if it gets a little boring, if I see people starting to sort of, maybe thinking about leaving, I can sort of tell the audience, I just say, ‘We will build the wall!’ and they go nuts.”

Ted Cruz’s campaign isn’t about constitutional principles; it’s about ambition. In his three years in the Senate, he has helped to engineer a shutdown of the government and has alienated virtually the entire chamber, both of which he bills as accomplishments since he lacks real ones. Now, whether he’s threatening to “carpet bomb” Syrian villages or pitching a phony “flat tax” that would batter middle-class consumers, Mr. Cruz will say anything to win. The greater worry is that he’d follow words with action.

More than a half-dozen other candidates are battling for survival. Jeb Bush has failed to ignite much support, but at least he has criticized the bigotry of Mr. Trump and the warmongering of Mr. Cruz. Senator Marco Rubio, currently embracing the alarmist views of the front-runners, seems to have forgotten his more positive “New American Century” campaign, based on helping the middle-class. The terrorist attacks in Paris and San Bernardino exposed Ben Carson’s inability to grasp the world. Gov. Chris Christie of New Jersey has said he would shoot down Russian planes, engage with the dead king of Jordan and bar refugees, including orphaned Syrian toddlers.

Gov. John Kasich of Ohio, though a distinct underdog, is the only plausible choice for Republicans tired of the extremism and inexperience on display in this race. And Mr. Kasich is no moderate. As governor, he’s gone after public-sector unions, fought to limit abortion rights and opposed same-sex marriage.

Still, as a veteran of partisan fights and bipartisan deals during nearly two decades in the House, he has been capable of compromise and believes in the ability of government to improve lives. He favors a path to citizenship for undocumented immigrants, and he speaks of government’s duty to protect the poor, the mentally ill and others “in the shadows.” While Republicans in Congress tried more than 60 times to kill Obamacare, Mr. Kasich did an end-run around Ohio’s Republican Legislature to secure a $13 billion Medicaid expansion to cover more people in his state.

“I am so tired of my colleagues out here on the stage spending all their time talking about Barack Obama,” he told a town hall crowd in New Hampshire. “His term is over.” Mr. Kasich said recently that he had “raised the bar in this election. I’ve talked about hope and the future and positive things.” In this race, how rare that is.
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/opinion/a-chance-to-reset-the-republican-race/ar-BBoTP3L?li=BBnb7Kz


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The jerk couldn't even get things right, and then does his Sissy dance and never addresses the question.
TOTAL LOSER from DAY ONE!!!

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Uncomfortable Question for Ted Cruz on Obamacare Silences the Room
HUBBARD, Iowa — Senator Ted Cruz is often asked about doing away with President Obama’s health care law. He is less rarely pressed by voters on what will replace it.

But at a middle school cafeteria here, a man, Mike Valde, presented him with a tragic tale. His brother-in-law Mark was a barber — “a small-business man,” he said. He
had never had a paid vacation day. He received health insurance at last because of the Affordable Care Act. He began to feel sick and went to a doctor.
“He had never been to a doctor for years,” Mr. Valde, 63, of Coralville, Iowa, said. “Multiple tumors behind his heart, his liver, his pancreas. And they said, ‘We’re sorry, sir, there’s nothing we can do for you.’ ”


The room was silent.

“Mark never had health care until Obama care,” Mr. Valde continued. “What are you going to replace it with?”

Mr. Cruz expressed condolences and pivoted quickly to a well-worn answer assailing the health care law.

Mr. Cruz said “millions of Americans” had lost their jobs and their doctors as a result of the law, and that many had “seen their premiums skyrocket.”

He said he had often joked about a pledge by Mr. Obama that premiums would drop: “Anyone whose premiums have dropped $2,500, as President Obama promised, should vote for Hillary Clinton,” Mr. Cruz said. “I’ll take everybody else.”

Many in the room laughed.

Mr. Valde — who said in an interview later that he did in fact intend to caucus for Mrs. Clinton — pressed on.

“My question is, what are you going to replace it with?” he said.

Mr. Cruz said he was getting there, but had to lay out the problems with the law first. “There are millions of stories on the other side,” he said, describing voters who had liked their insurance plans and lost them because the plans did not provide the level of coverage the new law required.

He went on to describe elements of his plan, which includes an effort to allow people to purchase insurance across state lines.

Mr. Cruz turned back to Mr. Valde. “Your father-in-law, he couldn’t afford it,” he said.

“Brother-in-law,” Mr. Valde said.

“Your brother-in-law couldn’t afford it,” Mr. Cruz said.

“Right,” Mr. Valde said. “But he could afford it — he finally got it under Obama.”

“He would have gotten it earlier, if he could have afforded it earlier,” Mr. Cruz said. “But because of government regulations he couldn’t.”

Moments later, Mr. Cruz wrapped up and Mr. Valde sat down.


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I think the ideal Republican ticket would be Kasich-Rubio or Rubio-Kasich.  

There is no Democratic ticket combination with the current candidates that I would EVER consider voting for.


George Amedore & Christian Klueg for NYS Senate 2016
Pete Vroman for State Assembly 2016[/size][/color]

"For this is what America is all about. It is the uncrossed desert and the unclimbed ridge. It is the star that is not reached and the harvest that is sleeping in the unplowed ground."
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I think the ideal Republican ticket would be Kasich-Rubio or Rubio-Kasich.  

There is no Democratic ticket combination with the current candidates that I would EVER consider voting for.


I picked Rubio early on as the likely winner for the GOP, but he would be a disaster.

If I had to vote for one of the GOP Clowns... It would be Kasich.


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