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"Evangelicals are a ‘minority’ and may seem ‘freakish’ to society"

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In an interview on C-SPAN, Southern Baptist Ethics & Religious Liberty Commission
President Russell Moore on Monday said that evangelicals needed to realize that they were
the minority and may seem “freakish” to the rest of the country.

“I think it says something to social conservatives,” he explained. “For a long time, social
conservatives in America had kind of silent majority view of ourselves, and conservative
evangelicals and conservative Roman Catholics had a moral majority view of ourselves as
we somehow represents the mainstream of American culture, most people really agree with
us, except for some elites somewhere.”
“That really isn’t the case,” Moore added. “I think we need to start seeing the fact that
we’re very similar to the way the Christian church was at the very beginning of its
existence, a minority of people who are speaking to the larger culture in ways that are
sometimes going to seem freakish to that larger culture.”


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

John Kenneth Galbraith

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Sounds good to me, we don't need a president who wishes to force their morals on us, Huckabee and Santorum were 2 examples of the evangelical right trying to get one of their nutjobs in, its not that I didn't disagree with everything they said but some of the things were very scary.


"In the beginning of a change, the Patriot is a scarce man, brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a Patriot."

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Sounds good to me, we don't need a president who wishes to force their morals on us, Huckabee and Santorum were 2 examples of the evangelical right trying to get one of their nutjobs in, its not that I didn't disagree with everything they said but some of the things were very scary.


I think it's telling that these "nutjobs" just assume that most of America agrees with them.  If they think
it's right... then the rest of the country MUST agree.  After all, God is on their side!  


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

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I think it's telling that these "nutjobs" just assume that most of America agrees with them.  If they think
it's right... then the rest of the country MUST agree.  After all, God is on their side!  


That logic goes both ways.  The secular statist believe the same.

Either way, all these nut jobs believe in the tyranny of the majority, and if they can covince everybody that 51% think a certain way, the other 49% must follow suit. And that is with nearly 50% not voting and just want to be left alone.  The individual does not exist.


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I think it's telling that these "nutjobs" just assume that most of America agrees with them.  If they think
it's right... then the rest of the country MUST agree.  After all, God is on their side!  


I think it depends on the issue, they lose people when you hear them talking about stupid things like banning pornography and getting the government further involved in their personal lives, they're the liberals of the right.


"In the beginning of a change, the Patriot is a scarce man, brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a Patriot."

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That logic goes both ways.  The secular statist believe the same.

Either way, all these nut jobs believe in the tyranny of the majority, and if they can covince everybody that 51% think a certain way, the other 49% must follow suit. And that is with nearly 50% not voting and just want to be left alone.  The individual does not exist.


Yup, we typed pretty much the same thing at the exact time


"In the beginning of a change, the Patriot is a scarce man, brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a Patriot."

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I think it's telling that these "nutjobs" just assume that most of America agrees with them.  If they think
it's right... then the rest of the country MUST agree.  


Actually that sounds more like Obama, Gore, Cuomo, Pelosi and Tonko -- except that they don't care if the rest of the country agrees with them.  They are going to push it through no matter what.


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Actually that sounds more like Obama, Gore, Cuomo, Pelosi and Tonko -- except that they don't care if the rest of the country agrees with them.  They are going to push it through no matter what.


Kinda like when an overwhelming number of people and other members of the planning committee
are against the CVS building on the corner of Curry and one member continues to push for it and
denounces the neighbors for speaking out....refusing to listen to the majority the member is to represent,
ignoring the will of the people and wanting to impose one's own opinion on others!!!


JUST BECAUSE SISSY SAYS SO DOESN'T MAKE IT SO...BUT HE THINKS IT DOES!!!!!  
JUST BECAUSE MC1 SAYS SO DOESN'T MAKE IT SO!!!!!  
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Kinda like when an overwhelming number of people and other members of the planning committee
are against the CVS building on the corner of Curry and one member continues to push for it and
denounces the neighbors for speaking out....refusing to listen to the majority the member is to represent,
ignoring the will of the people and wanting to impose one's own opinion on others!!!


You sure are shoveling the bull sh*t.  



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You sure are shoveling the bull sh*t.  



Interesting that you knew I was speaking about you, especially if you are trying to say it's a lie!
Are you denying it?  Of course you are...but don't realize that
I have those posts saved
as well as the Gazette article quoting you
and minutes of the meetings quoting you!  
So who is the BULL$HITTER DVOR....you are!
Enough people on this forum followed that debacle and your
arrogant behavior in the process! You are a HYPOCRITE, pure and simple!


JUST BECAUSE SISSY SAYS SO DOESN'T MAKE IT SO...BUT HE THINKS IT DOES!!!!!  
JUST BECAUSE MC1 SAYS SO DOESN'T MAKE IT SO!!!!!  
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Interesting that you knew I was speaking about you, especially if you are trying to say it's a lie!
Are you denying it?  Of course you are...but don't realize that
I have those posts saved
as well as the Gazette article quoting you
and minutes of the meetings quoting you!  
So who is the BULL$HITTER DVOR....you are!
Enough people on this forum followed that debacle and your
arrogant behavior in the process! You are a HYPOCRITE, pure and simple!


Guilty as charged.

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Interesting that you knew I was speaking about you, especially if you are trying to say it's a lie!
Are you denying it?  Of course you are...but don't realize that
I have those posts saved
as well as the Gazette article quoting you
and minutes of the meetings quoting you!  
So who is the BULL$HITTER DVOR....you are!
Enough people on this forum followed that debacle and your
arrogant behavior in the process! You are a HYPOCRITE, pure and simple!


First, you lied and said that a member of the board was "pushing" for the project.  That is absolutely a lie.  No one was pushing for it AND in fact no one voted FOR or AGAINST the actual project.  The votes taken were whether to recommend a rezone from Residential to Business -- that was the issue under consideration.  If the rezone had been approved by the Town Board, the developer would have had to come back and go through the process of having the actual project approved.  And that would have required getting DOT approvals and some other issues -- so no one can say how that process would have gone nor can they can they say how anyone would have voted if it had reached the final approval stage.

Second, you lied and said that a member denounced the neighbors and ignored them.  There is absolutely no evidence that anyone denounced the neighbors nor that anyone did not listen to them nor even speak privately with them on the issue.

Third, you make some lame statement that one member didn't vote the same way as every other member of the commission.  There is nothing in the town code, state law or federal law or even in common sense that suggests that every member of any voting body has to vote the same way as every other member of the voting body. One can vote differently from others while respecting that the others made a different judgement on the matter.  The vote wasn't even unanimous when the issue went back to the Town Board.  That happens in a democratic republic -- get used to it.

Fourth, you suggest that the process was a debacle.  In fact, the process went quite well.  Both sides presented their positions and a decision was rendered.  

Fifth, you suggest that the will of the residents wasn't taken into account.  The opposite is true.  Many residents shared their opinions on the proposal not just the ones who spoke against it at the meeting.   BTW -- those who opposed the specific proposal were NOT opposed to the change of zone itself -- they even said that they would have preferred small shops/business rather than a one business.

Finally, I do know who you are and who "pulls your strings" getting you to post your personal attacks.  They and you are just upset that someone has the guts to think for himself and refuses to be a mindless puppet.




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First, you lied and said that a member of the board was "pushing" for the project.  That is absolutely a lie.  No one was pushing for it AND in fact no one voted FOR or AGAINST the actual project.  The votes taken were whether to recommend a rezone from Residential to Business -- that was the issue under consideration.  If the rezone had been approved by the Town Board, the developer would have had to come back and go through the process of having the actual project approved.  And that would have required getting DOT approvals and some other issues -- so no one can say how that process would have gone nor can they can they say how anyone would have voted if it had reached the final approval stage.

Second, you lied and said that a member denounced the neighbors and ignored them.  There is absolutely no evidence that anyone denounced the neighbors nor that anyone did not listen to them nor even speak privately with them on the issue.

Third, you make some lame statement that one member didn't vote the same way as every other member of the commission.  There is nothing in the town code, state law or federal law or even in common sense that suggests that every member of any voting body has to vote the same way as every other member of the voting body. One can vote differently from others while respecting that the others made a different judgement on the matter.  The vote wasn't even unanimous when the issue went back to the Town Board.  That happens in a democratic republic -- get used to it.

Fourth, you suggest that the process was a debacle.  In fact, the process went quite well.  Both sides presented their positions and a decision was rendered.  

Fifth, you suggest that the will of the residents wasn't taken into account.  The opposite is true.  Many residents shared their opinions on the proposal not just the ones who spoke against it at the meeting.   BTW -- those who opposed the specific proposal were NOT opposed to the change of zone itself -- they even said that they would have preferred small shops/business rather than a one business.

Finally, I do know who you are and who "pulls your strings" getting you to post your personal attacks.  They and you are just upset that someone has the guts to think for himself and refuses to be a mindless puppet.




As usual you remain in denial!


JUST BECAUSE SISSY SAYS SO DOESN'T MAKE IT SO...BUT HE THINKS IT DOES!!!!!  
JUST BECAUSE MC1 SAYS SO DOESN'T MAKE IT SO!!!!!  
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So what if Evangelicals are a minority?

Only a minority of people insist on abortion on demand including late term abortion and gender selection abortion, and yet they insist on shoving their "beliefs" down everyone else's throats.

I would much rather have a pro-life person like Santorum or Huckabee in the White House than a pro-deather.


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Humanism: An Evangelistic Religion


Humanism is the most fraudulently displayed and dangerous religion in America today. And it is a religion. Please don't be deceived into believing that humanism is just a philosophy. That is the masquerade humanists have utilized for years to mislead millions. And, too, don't be conned into thinking that because religious people believe in God, those who do not believe in God are not religious. That constitutes another mass deception the humanists have used to their advantage for years. Humanism is unmistakably and demonstrably a religion; an evangelistic religion that seeks to win converts and produce change in the moral fiber of this nation.

Humanism Is A Religion
Humanism has been a religion since its inception. However, only in the last few years have its advocates admitted it. Nine times, the Humanist Manifesto I (the humanist bible) clearly calls its beliefs a religion and concludes with the words, "So stand the theses of religious humanism."(1) Lloyd Morain, former president of the American Humanist Association, stated:
Down through the ages men have been seeking a universal religion or way of life . . . . Humanism . . . . shows promise of becoming a great world faith.

Humanists are content with fixing their attention on this life and on this earth. Theirs is a religion without a God . . . . (emphasis added).(2)

The United States Supreme court calls humanism a religion. In the 1961 Torcasso v. Watkins case, Justice Hugo L. Black noted: "Among religions in this country which do not teach what would generally be considered a belief in the existence of God are Buddhism, Taoism, Ethical Culture, Secular Humanism and others" (emphasis added.)(3)
We tend to think that belief in God is a religion, and therefore disbelief is not a religion (and that is what humanists want us to think!). By using our faulty thinking against us, they have called their doctrine secular humanism, ours religion. Then by claiming that morals originated with the Bible, they, too, are labeled as religious. Thus, both religion and morality are excluded from our schools while secular humanism and amorality are advanced daily.

Thomas Jefferson, American statesman, author of the Declaration of Independence and instigator of much discussion over separation of church and state which finally led to the First Amendment, understood the problem and defined the term religion to include "all believers or unbelievers of the Bible If his definition is correct, and I believe it is, then if belief and its biblical moral values are expelled from our public schools, so also must we remove humanist unbelief and its resultant amorality. After all, our Constitution forbids that the government do anything to establish or advance religion. And secular humanism is a religion!

The Ten Religious Characteristics of Secular Humanism
1. They have a Bible. Humanist Manifesto I authored by John Deway in 193 3; and Humanist Manifesto II authored by Paul Kurtz in 1973 are the sacred scriptures to the humanist and serve as the basis for the principles being taught regularly in our schools. These two brief volumes are shocking to any godly individual and even more so when one discovers that they were signed by some of the most influential people in education today.

2. They have a stated dogma. All religions are based on doctrinal teachings. Humanism is no different. It has a well-defined theology centering around five areas:
* Atheism - disbelief in God.
* Evolution - belief in evolution.
* Amorality - rejection of absolute morals.
* Autonomous Man - deification of man as supreme.
*Socialist One World View - belief that man should build a one world community.

Tim LaHaye, in his book, The Battle for the Mind (pp. 130-131), states, "The theological position of humanism is so well-defined and established that if it were expelled from our public schools and its disciples were retired from government service through the ballot box, they would immediately declare themselves officially a religion and file as a tax exempt religious organization. They cannot do so now because they receive over 140 billion dollars annually to operate their vast network of churches, called schools, colleges, and universities. Why should they collect donations to support the propagation of their religion when, through our taxes, we pay for their services? Parents are compelled to send their impressionable children to schools where in the name of academic freedom, only the religion of humanism can be taught."

3. They have an object of worship. The humanist god is man himself.

4. They have a priesthood. Every religion has a priesthood, no matter what it is officially called. Since the religion of humanism chose public education as its main method to influence the thinking of future generations we should not be alarmed to observe that the signers of the Humanist Manifesto I and II appear to be the Who's Who list of American education. Here is a priesthood that earns its living communicating the religion of humanism in our public schools.

5. They have missionaries. Every religious body has its missionaries who preach and proselyte. Humanism is no different.
Before the religion of humanism became the official dogma of our public schools, teachers were trusted educators of our young, who took seriously their responsibility of teaching reading, writing, arithmetic, and the other necessary skills of life. That is no longer the case. Today's teachers, according to some educators, are "change agents" - that is, agents of social change. As incredible as it may seem to you, their objective is to change our nation's generation of children from their commitment to traditional moral values and the values of their parents to the new humanist values (which in my studied opinion are no values at all).(4)
Yes, under the disguise of academic freedom, these humanistic missionaries are free to teach their atheistic, amoral beliefs while ridiculing the Judeo-Christian ethic at every opportunity. One humanistic educator said, "If education is to meet the current and future needs of our society, humanistic objectives and humanistic thought must operate at the heart of every school and classroom in the nation."(5) Sadly to say, in many places it does.

6. They have seminaries. The majority of graduate schools in the United States have been completely taken over by humanist thought, particularly is this true in the educational field. Today it is virtually impossible to get a PhD degree from any university that is not overwhelmingly humanistic in its teaching. Present-day teachers seminaries are called teachers colleges.(6)

7. They have their own temples. Humanists never need to raise money for the buildings to teach their religious doctrine. Their temples are called schools; their churches are called colleges; their cathedrals are called universities - and we pay for and provide them!

8. Humanism is rooted in eastern religions.
Humanism is a philosophical, religious, and moral point of view as old as human civilization itself. It has its roots in classical China, Greece and Rome; it is expressed in the Renaissance and the Enlightment, in the scientific revolution, and in the twentieth century.(7)
Such may explain why a relatively new course entitled, "Comparative Religions" is infiltrating our high schools. It is a humanistic affront to Christianity in which 90% of classroom time is spent exposing students to eastern religions of Buddhism, Taoism, Mohammedanism, and Hare Krishna. This course is a thinly opportunity to teach the mystical religions of the East to our children and at our expense. And why? Because humanists know what few Christians realize: humanism is the outgrowth of those Eastern religions.

9. They have a view of death. Science cannot prove or disprove life after death, but humanists teach as fact that it does not exist. How can they be so dogmatic? By faith, of course. Consequently their view of death and eternity is part of their religious propaganda. Such may once again explain why the course Death and Dying is now being offered to many high school students. It serves as an excellent way to attack the traditional beliefs in God,salvation, life after death, and other truths taught in the Bible.

10. They are religiously intolerant to any view but their own. "Academicfreedom " is only an American dream. It means freedom for homosexuals, lesbians, feminists, abortionists, Marxists, and almost every other conceivable anti-moral, anti-American teaching, except the recognition of God the Creator of the traditional moral values that Christians and others share. In essence, "academic freedom" is religious intolerance.
Humanistic Educational Intolerance
(chart by Tim LaHaye)
They Freely Teach                     They Totally Forbid Teaching
Atheism                             God the creator
Evolution as fact                     Creation as scientific
Situation ethics                     Moral absolutes
Explicit sex education             Biblical view of sexuality
Perversion as acceptable      Homosexuality as wrong
No life after death                     Eternal life, heaven and hell, judgment

These concepts can be taught freely during school hours to captive children.     
These concepts cannot be taught on school premises - even after school hours end.


There can be no doubt that humanism is a religion. Mel and Norma Gabler of Garland, Texas, who are acknowledged to be the most informed individuals in the country on the context of public school textbooks, state unhesitatingly, "Humanism is a no-God religion and as much a religion as Christianity. This no-God religion is being passed on to our children through public education, in a subtle but effective manner."( Yes, when a Unitarian Sunday school teacher can promote over 90016 of his religious beliefs in the public schools by labeling them "education" or "scientific humanism," and get paid for it - that has to be the religious sham of the century!

Humanism Inspires Evangelistic Zeal
Leading humanists are filled with an evangelistic fervor to preach their humanistic gospel. With their hold on government, education and the media, 275,000 humanists are able to determine the direction of 216 million people. Consider that issues such as abortion on demand, legalization of homosexuality, ERA, government deficit spending, the size of government, elimination of capital punishment, national disarmament, increased taxes, women in combat, unnecessary school busing, etc., would all be overwhelmingly rejected if voted upon by the American people, but, our politicians continue to enact such legislation that is against the will of the populous. Why? Simply, we are being controlled by a small but extremely influential army of committed humanists who feel duty bound to turn traditionally moral-minded America into an amoral, humanistic country.

We must understand that our enemy is not the Soviet Union or Red China; it is the American humanists in government, in education, and in the media. And until we realize that humanism is a religion, and an evangelistic one at that, the humanists will continue to mentally brainwash and poison our young. I am against the religion of humanism for two basic reasons: I am a committed Christian, and I am a committed American. Humanism is vigoriously opposed to both. It is the most dangerous religion in America.
http://www.truthmagazine.com/archives/volume28/GOT028221.html


When the INSANE are running the ASYLUM
In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche


“How fortunate for those in power that people never think.”
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