New evidence that fracking may contaminate drinking water was published Monday in a study sure to add fuel to the fight over the controversial method of extracting natural gas from cracks in rocks.
Researchers at Duke University analyzed 141 drinking water samples from private water wells across the gas-rich Marcellus shale basin in northeastern Pennsylvania.
They found methane concentrations were six times higher and ethane concentrations were 23 times higher at homes within a kilometer of a shale gas well.
Propane was detected in 10 samples, all of them from homes within a kilometer of drilling.
“The methane, ethane and propane data, and new evidence from hydrocarbon and helium isotopes, all suggest that drilling has affected some homeowners’ water,” said study author Robert Jackson, an environmental sciences professor.
Two previous studies by Duke scientists found direct evidence of methane contamination in water wells near shale-gas drilling sites in northeastern Pennsylvania.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
Methane contamination of well water was a problem in Pennsylvania LONG BEFORE any fracking was even thought of -- let alone done.
Let's just push forward and start drilling here in New York State -- the corrupt politicians in Albany, and elsewhere, who have held up fracking are ruining our state's economy and keeping us dependent on foreign energy sources. They also don't want to resolve the fracking issue before they start "fishing for campaign dollars" (and whatever other goodies they can enrich themselves with) from the left-wing special interest groups and the Soros machine.
(On another issue -- it isn't it interesting that the Democrats in the State Legislature and the Executive Mansion quietly removed the one paragraph in the Gambling legislation that bars casinos and those involved in the casino industry from making campaign contribution ----- my quess is that Cuomo and legislators like Tse Tse have empty sacks just waiting to pile up campaign contributions from these folks during the next 5 months before they get around to "fixing" that loop hole they secretly created.)
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"For this is what America is all about. It is the uncrossed desert and the unclimbed ridge. It is the star that is not reached and the harvest that is sleeping in the unplowed ground." Lyndon Baines Johnson
Methane contamination of well water was a problem in Pennsylvania LONG BEFORE any fracking was even thought of -- let alone done.
Let's just push forward and start drilling here in New York State -- the corrupt politicians in Albany, and elsewhere, who have held up fracking are ruining our state's economy and keeping us dependent on foreign energy sources. They also don't want to resolve the fracking issue before they start "fishing for campaign dollars" (and whatever other goodies they can enrich themselves with) from the left-wing special interest groups and the Soros machine.
(On another issue -- it isn't it interesting that the Democrats in the State Legislature and the Executive Mansion quietly removed the one paragraph in the Gambling legislation that bars casinos and those involved in the casino industry from making campaign contribution ----- my quess is that Cuomo and legislators like Tse Tse have empty sacks just waiting to pile up campaign contributions from these folks during the next 5 months before they get around to "fixing" that loop hole they secretly created.)
I believe the article identified an extraordinarily higher concentration when one is within 1 kilometer radius of a gas well. This discounts normal background concentrations for non-gas well contamination.
I believe the article identified an extraordinarily higher concentration when one is within 1 kilometer radius of a gas well. This discounts normal background concentrations for non-gas well contamination.
Right Avon. But don't expect to convince DVOR using 'logic, reason or FACTS'. He's immune to all three.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
I believe the article identified an extraordinarily higher concentration when one is within 1 kilometer radius of a gas well. This discounts normal background concentrations for non-gas well contamination.
On the same day, another report came up which said the exact opposite. And so far, most of the studies have proven no connection between fracking and contamination. Furthermore, there was water well contamination from methane FOR MANY YEARS BEFORE fracking ever began in Pennsylvania.
So far the LOGIC and the SCIENCE prove that fracking is safe, and one study to the contrary doesn't prove anything.
So to all our State and local officials -- on the matter of fracking in New York -- let us drill baby drill. And while we are at it, lets build a 21st century power transmission system to bring all that power from the Niagara and St. Lawrence to the rest of New York instead of sending it to Canada and out of state because the nimrods who ran/run the legislative committees on energy wouldn't let those lines be built for years. And lets tap the hydropower on the Mohawk River. And lets build a couple nuclear power plants, too.
Lower power bills will grow business. Growing business will create jobs and lower our state and local taxes.
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"For this is what America is all about. It is the uncrossed desert and the unclimbed ridge. It is the star that is not reached and the harvest that is sleeping in the unplowed ground." Lyndon Baines Johnson
Not worth it, IMO. Clean drinking water is worth more than the gas. Safe? That's what bp thought in the gulf, isn't it? It is human nature to cut corners. Too much to lose for some, just for a few to make some money for a period of time, to solve China's short-term energy problems. This is what annoys me about both political parties. How does something like this become a Democratic or Republican issue? Silly.
Not worth it, IMO. Clean drinking water is worth more than the gas. Safe? That's what bp thought in the gulf, isn't it? It is human nature to cut corners. Too much to lose for some, just for a few to make some money for a period of time, to solve China's short-term energy problems. This is what annoys me about both political parties. How does something like this become a Democratic or Republican issue? Silly.
I think not, Cic. The industrial revolution was looking forward, they couldn't foresee some of the negative consequences. We've known about the value of uncontaminated water for quite some time now. We also should know better than to accept the "science" from those who will profit financially. If we could trust our government to make a decision on this divorced from politics/money, that would be great, but when do they ever do that? Getting that gas out of there will cost a lot, it won't be cheap gas anymore. There will be pressure to save expenses wherever possible. I don't see it as such an economic panacea that it is worth it. Others may disagree, of course, but none of us are expert geologists/engineers, whatever, so that's my layperson's opinion and I don't think it makes me backward or obstructionist, just prudent. BTW, the Luddites got an undeserved bad reputation, IMO.
Not worth it, IMO. Clean drinking water is worth more than the gas. Safe? That's what bp thought in the gulf, isn't it?
There was no catastrophic environmental damage caused by the BP spill. There was no massive destruction of ocean life. There was no massive poisoning that rendered harvested fish and shellfish unsafe. There was no hundreds of miles of pristine coastline laid to waste.
The seas didn't boil and the sky didn't fall, as the media vampires hyped it up to be.
Like offshore drilling, 'fracking' has been around for a long time now, with the first commercial applications beginning in 1949. Nearly 60% of all new gas and oil wells use this method WORLDWIDE.
As with all industry, there will be accidents and there will be failures, but don't believe in the fear mongering that Boxy tries to do.
"Approval ratings go up and down for various reasons... An example is the high post 911 support for GWB even though he could be said to be responsible for the event." --- Box A Rox '9/11 Truther'
Melania is a bimbo... she is there to look at, not to listen to. --- Box A Rox and his 'War on Women'
It is not an accurate comparison with the Deep Well Horizon. That debacle and explosion killed 11 workers. Specific to Hydro Fracking, the drilling fluids used to crack fissures in the shale are proprietary mixes. At this time no one has a grasp as to the potential environmental damages these chemicals may or may not cause. The extracted gas becomes an energy commodity that gets traded on the world market, which right now is very low for natural gas. The companies that have the expertise for this type of drilling have their own crews they bring with them, there are no jobs created. The drilling requires a huge water demand as a natural resource drain. The waste drilling fluids have no way to be environmentally cleaned without the use of exhorbitant costing Reverse Osmosis. The waste fluids used to get shipped to Ohio for deep well injection as a disposal remedy until they had an earthquake that they attributed to the lubrication of the earth's plates by the drilling fluid causing the shift. The drilling pads create a blight to the pre-existing landscape that scars the areas they are installed at. The property owners receive a paltry lease for the drilling rights, not based on the volume of gas exracted. Nuclear power much more efficient and actually safer, very few accidents and a cleaner generating platform.
Hydro fracking is the equivalent of fool's gold. It has been overhyped as New York's and this country's salvation. Some day our grandchildren, or their grandchildren will be going to war over energy. It is inevitable since the supply is finite. Let it sit there, it's money in the bank!
No, the sky didn't fall with bp, they were just unprepared to deal with what happened. I think they displayed a kind of adolescent "it won't happen to me" carelessness that you often get in these "too big" organizations. Nobody was personally responsible. Remember the boss whining about wanting his life back? The water is worth more than the gas, except to the people who would be extracting the gas. I still think it's not worth it.
Fracking has been going on since the mid 20th Century without any problems. The latest fracking technology is BETTER and has even MORE SAFEGUARDS than that used in the past.
The people who claim that fracking is dangerous to our water supply have been engaged in a campaign of lies, distortions and misrepresentations. One film maker even admitted to "staging" the burning tap water to get attention to his film.
Governor Cuomo caved to the environmental wackos, left wing special interest groups and the "Kennedy gang." Cuomo has basically told the residents of the Southern Tier of NY to drop dead.
We need leadership on this issue. We need energy independence. We need jobs in New York. We need fracking NOW.
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"For this is what America is all about. It is the uncrossed desert and the unclimbed ridge. It is the star that is not reached and the harvest that is sleeping in the unplowed ground." Lyndon Baines Johnson
Methane contamination of well water was a problem in Pennsylvania LONG BEFORE any fracking was even thought of -- let alone done. Let's just push forward and start drilling here in New York State -- the corrupt politicians in Albany, and elsewhere, who have held up fracking are ruining our state's economy and keeping us dependent on foreign energy sources. They also don't want to resolve the fracking issue before they start "fishing for campaign dollars" (and whatever other goodies they can enrich themselves with) from the left-wing special interest groups and the Soros machine.
(On another issue -- it isn't it interesting that the Democrats in the State Legislature and the Executive Mansion quietly removed the one paragraph in the Gambling legislation that bars casinos and those involved in the casino industry from making campaign contribution ----- my quess is that Cuomo and legislators like Tse Tse have empty sacks just waiting to pile up campaign contributions from these folks during the next 5 months before they get around to "fixing" that loop hole they secretly created.)
I don't supposed it has anything the roughly 11,000 abandoned coal mines there does it?
Many of them were created using similar methods.
There is a town named "Centralia" that is now completely uninhabitable because the coal mine that lies beneath it, has been on fire since 1962.
METHANE IN WATER IS NOT SOMETHING THAT NATURALLY OCCURS IN NATURE!!!
You're being sold a bad bill of goods, and will most certainly be on the wrong side of history.
The relationship between Fracking and Earthquakes has been known since at least the early 1960's.
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In 1961 The Rocky Mountain Arsenal had a waste disposal problem. The munitions storage depot had a 12,000 foot deep well drilled in which they could pump dangerous and highly toxic fluids under great pressure in an attempt to safely dispose of them over two miles below the Earth's surface. As soon as the pumping began in 1962, seismic activity made a dramatic increase. Between 1962 and August of 1967, there were nearly 1,400 small earthquakes recorded. Then, in August of 1967, a 5.3 magnitude quake hit the area. Seismic records indicated that the event was centered at the Arsenal. When the Arsenal discontinued pumping, seismic activity fell to levels consistent with pre-1962 levels.
From England, 2011: UK Fracking Firm Admits They Are Causing Earthquakes
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A press release from Cuadrilla Resources, who was responsible for exploration in the region, reported that: "The hydraulic fracturing of Cuadrilla’s Preese Hall-1 well did trigger a number of minor seismic events." "The seismic events were due to an unusual combination of geology at the well site coupled with the pressure exerted by water injection as part of operations."
The study focused its research on seismic activity in Oklahoma over the past two years and concluded that a 4.8-magnitude earthquake centered near Prague on Nov. 5, 2011, was "induced" by the injection wells. Two subsequent earthquakes, including a 5.7-magnitude "event" the following day, was the biggest in contemporary state history, were caused by the first earthquake and existing tectonic stresses in the earth. Oklahoma's Nov. 6, 2011 earthquake was the state's largest recorded with modern instrumentation.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
I admit I'm no expert on fracking, as I've stated. Most people aren't. I've also stated that it's too bad people want to make it a ridiculously political issue, with one "side" being so much smarter and better than the others. You can see that kind of foolishness graphically illustrated above, and I'm not referring to Box's or Tommy's posts.
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