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freedom  
1. the state of being free or at liberty rather than in confinement or under physical restraint: He won his freedom after a retrial.
2. exemption from external control, interference, regulation, etc.
3. the power to determine action without restraint.
4. political or national independence.
5. personal liberty, as opposed to bondage or slavery

Also:
~     the quality or state of being free, esp to enjoy political and civil liberties
~      autonomy, self-government, or independence

And in Cicero's case, The freedom to vote for your representative government, and
the freedom to leave this country if it doesn't suit you.


Ahhh.. Free to vote for the people that run systems.  If you don't like the systems the government forces you to live under, LEAVE!  What-a-patriot box is.  

Ok, summary:

The individual isn't free, he is only free to choose the masters that dictate the external controls, interference, and regulations.  Your freedom is your freedom to cast 1 vote in a sea of millions.  Every 2 years you can enjoy your freedom during those few minutes in the voting booth.


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Ahhh.. Free to vote for the people that run systems.  If you don't like the systems the government forces you to live under, LEAVE!  What-a-patriot box is.  

Ok, summary:

The individual isn't free, he is only free to choose the masters that dictate the external controls, interference, and regulations.  Your freedom is your freedom to cast 1 vote in a sea of millions.  Every 2 years you can enjoy your freedom during those few minutes in the voting booth.

YUP! Cicero, that's the way our founding fathers designed it.  There are many options in the world, not just the USA.
You could try a Religious theocracy, a communist system, a chaos system (you might like that one), and several
forms of democracy.
Buy and island and start your own govt.  Then the only thing you could complain about is yourself!  

My guess... Cicero is a complainer.  He thrives on complaints not solving problems or helping people.


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

John Kenneth Galbraith

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YUP! Cicero, that's the way our founding fathers designed it.  There are many options in the world, not just the USA.
You could try a Religious theocracy, a communist system, a chaos system (you might like that one), and several
forms of democracy.
Buy and island and start your own govt.  Then the only thing you could complain about is yourself!  

My guess... Cicero is a complainer.  He thrives on complaints not solving problems or helping people.


We live in a fascist democracy.  First step of solving problems is informing the citizens they are not free.  Second part of the solution is not to vote, your vote is consenting to your enslavement.  

You continue to list systems of enslavement.  I can live under religious, communist, or corporate/fascist(united states) enslavement.  Thanks for the choices box.  

This is coming from a guy ordered to fight and kill the NVC to protect the South Vietnamese.  You should have told the South Vietnames to leave if they didn't want to live under communism.  Ho Chi Mihn was Vietnam's Abe Lincoln.  How dare you interfere with the unification of Vietnam.  The Vietnamese are peacefully living under the government that eventually enslaved them.  Millions wiped off the earth by governments.


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When it comes to paid time off, the USA is # LAST


When it comes to getting paid time off, American workers are far behind their peers
in other developed countries.

Time
http://business.time.com/2013/08/30/this-labor-day-much-of-america-will-be-laboring/


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

John Kenneth Galbraith

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We all need to be lazier, just ask the Pioneers.


"While Foreign Terrorists were plotting to murder and maim using homemade bombs in Boston, Democrap officials in Washington DC, Albany and here were busy watching ME and other law abiding American Citizens who are gun owners and taxpayers, in an effort to blame the nation's lack of security on US so that they could have a political scapegoat."
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We all need to be lazier, just ask the Pioneers.


LOL!  Graham considers "Time Off" as being "lazy"!

Glad that I'm not Graham!


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

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LOL!  Graham considers "Time Off" as being "lazy"!

Glad that I'm not Graham!


being glad of granting "time off" is accepting that another human has a right to give it to you in the first place....


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

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There was no such thing as retirement either...until they drummed up social security....another bankrupt socialist government program!!!


When the INSANE are running the ASYLUM
In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche


“How fortunate for those in power that people never think.”
Adolph Hitler
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There was no such thing as retirement either...until they drummed up social security....another bankrupt socialist government program!!!


YUP....retirement is a state of mind, NOT A RIGHT!!!


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

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There was no such thing as retirement either...until they drummed up social security....another bankrupt socialist government program!!!



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YUP....retirement is a state of mind, NOT A RIGHT!!!


So it appears that Bumbler and Senders are AGAINST SOCIAL SECURITY.
They prefer that America's elderly starve, as they often did before SS.


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

John Kenneth Galbraith

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So it appears that Bumbler and Senders are AGAINST SOCIAL SECURITY.
They prefer that America's elderly starve, as they often did before SS.


Yes, of course that's the false choice given.  If people can't save for themselves to pay for life necessities later in life, there is a problem with the economy to begin with.  


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Yes, of course that's the false choice given.  If people can't save for themselves to pay for life necessities later in life, there is a problem with the economy to begin with.  


EXACTLY!!! And it was created by design!! GOV ALMIGHTY took away the humans ability to 'survive' without them! It's all a ball-faced-LIE!! And the sheople fell for it!!! GOV ALMIGHTY wants a DEPENDENT country...not an INDEPENDENT country!!


When the INSANE are running the ASYLUM
In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche


“How fortunate for those in power that people never think.”
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Yes, of course that's the false choice given.  If people can't save for themselves to pay for life necessities later in life, there is a problem with the economy to begin with.  


So people like Cicero save their entire life... they invest, they save, they plan... and then one day on the way to work
they get in a life changing accident and are left quadra-pelagic.
Since they aren't forced to have health insurance... their savings are gone in a matter of months and
THE REST OF US PAY THEIR MEDICAL BILLS.
They have no SS, no Disability, no nuttin'.  So the REST OF US PAY THEIR BILLS.

Or...
Universal health care
and
SS.


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

John Kenneth Galbraith

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So people like Cicero save their entire life... they invest, they save, they plan... and then one day on the way to work
they get in a life changing accident and are left quadra-pelagic.
Since they aren't forced to have health insurance... their savings are gone in a matter of months and
THE REST OF US PAY THEIR MEDICAL BILLS.
They have no SS, no Disability, no nuttin'.  So the REST OF US PAY THEIR BILLS.

Or...
Universal health care
and
SS.


If there wasn't billion if money funneled into the medical industry the prices would drop.  When you force 100% to dump billions into medicine to pay for 50% to use in, the medical industry prices there services based on the supply of money not the number of customers.  Whether it auto insurance or health insurance, both have driven the price of service up to the point that 99% of the people cannot afford it without insurance.  You take that money out and repairing your bumper from an accident goes from $1000 to $500.  The extra money in the system from the safe drivers wouldn't be there.


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