A jury of six women was selected on Thursday to decide if George Zimmerman is guilty of murdering Trayvon Martin.
According to Fox News, none of the women chosen were African-American. Five of the women were white and one was Hispanic. The Hispanic juror was a churchgoer in her 30s. All of the white jurors were reportedly in their 50s, 60s and 70s.
Two men and two women were selected as alternates. All of the alternate jurors were white.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
[quote=485] On the surface, it may look good for Zimmerman, but the fact the entire jury is female, most who are mothers cancels it out.
I haven't heard anyone say whether this jury can come back with a conviction of something less than 2nd degree murder....if they can, I expect a conviction on something.... if they can't, I expect either a hung jury or acquittal IF they read whats required for a M2 conviction... a repeat of Rodney King Criminal trial..and probably a repeat of the burning of black neighborhoods....
"Arguing with liberals is like playing chess with a pigeon; no matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock out the pieces, crap on the board, and strut around like it is victorious." - Author Unknown
[quote=485] On the surface, it may look good for Zimmerman, but the fact the entire jury is female, most who are mothers cancels it out.
I haven't heard anyone say whether this jury can come back with a conviction of something less than 2nd degree murder....if they can, I expect a conviction on something.... if they can't, I expect either a hung jury or acquittal IF they read whats required for a M2 conviction... a repeat of Rodney King Criminal trial..and probably a repeat of the burning of black neighborhoods....
I don't know the details, but the "stand your ground" law may complicate the process.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
George Zimmerman's Trial Starts With A "Knock Knock" Joke
Nothing Funny About It.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
It means absolutely nothing unless these jurors have the same IQ as the OJ jury... then personality, or lack thereof, means EVERYTHING
"Arguing with liberals is like playing chess with a pigeon; no matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock out the pieces, crap on the board, and strut around like it is victorious." - Author Unknown
It means absolutely nothing unless these jurors have the same IQ as the OJ jury... then personality, or lack thereof, means EVERYTHING
I used to feel the same way Tbird... till I read a law professor's comments of 'How the LAPD Framed a Guilty Man'. He uses the OJ trial in his class and when presented with the evidence that the OJ jury saw, many of his students come to the same conclusion. OJ went free because of the LAPD.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
I watched some of the opening arguments. If I was a potential juror in that case I wouldn't have made it though the process to be a juror as I already formed an opinion.
If GZ didn't get out of his car and follow TM none of this would have happened. I would find him guilty of at least manslaughter.
I don't think GZ was out to kill anyone, but even if he was defending himself, he put himself in that situation by following a young man who was just walking down the street not bothering anyone.
The prosecution in the opening argument made the point exactly, that GZ was trained to be in the neighborhood watch and that's what he was supposed to do, watch and call police, not follow, not subdue.
I would feel differently if GZ came upon someone assaulting someone or if he was initially assaulted himself.
A further complication is that the kid was walking along minding his own business, but he was inside one of those gated communities where you might reasonably expect to be challenged as to what you are doing there. My personal opinion is that Zimmerman is guilty of something or bears some fault, because he challenged someone who had no way of knowing who Zimmerman was. A moral responsibility isn't the same as a legal one, though. The news media made this into the giant Racism circus it didn't start out as. Interesting how 'hispanic' means non-white on the jury, but Zimmerman is white for purposes of making him out to be a racist. Hispanic means spanish, and it isn't a race, it isn't even an ethnic group, it's an entirely artificial designation invented by the government for purposes of pandering for block votes.
A further complication is that the kid was walking along minding his own business, but he was inside one of those gated communities where you might reasonably expect to be challenged as to what you are doing there. My personal opinion is that Zimmerman is guilty of something or bears some fault, because he challenged someone who had no way of knowing who Zimmerman was. A moral responsibility isn't the same as a legal one, though. The news media made this into the giant Racism circus it didn't start out as. Interesting how 'hispanic' means non-white on the jury, but Zimmerman is white for purposes of making him out to be a racist. Hispanic means spanish, and it isn't a race, it isn't even an ethnic group, it's an entirely artificial designation invented by the government for purposes of pandering for block votes.
Hispanic
1. relating to, characteristic of, or derived from Spain or Spanish-speaking countries 2. ( US ) a person of Latin-American or Spanish descent living in the US
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
I know, Box. That is how the term is used now, but the fact remains that the designation for a really diverse assortment of people was invented by the government around 1980. Notice it says (US). That's because there is NO SUCH THING AS AN HISPANIC RACE, it is a term invented to describe people who otherwise have nothing in common, by the US GOVERNMENT. It's a fact. This is so one can say, gee, HISPANICS are the fastest growing minority group! for puposes of racial/ethnic pandering. If you take people from say, Mexico, Dominican Republic, etc. and count them separately, they might not be such a large "group", and they certainly are not racially or ethnically all the same. I don't care what some PC government flunkie or the news media want to push as being real. I don't know how people can mock climate change or evolution deniers as being unscientific, yet go along with this invented minority bs. Ask someone from the Basque region of Spain if he or she is 'hispanic'. See how stupid it is? I don't drink that particular sweetened beverage that comes in a packet.
Hispania was the Roman name for the Iberian Peninsula. (218 BC–400)
Hispanic (in Spanish: hispano, hispánico; in Portuguese: hispânico, hispano,) is an ethnonym that denotes a relationship to Spain or, in some definitions, to ancient Hispania... Hardly a US invention. Today the term can mean 'with origins to spain or HAVING IN COMMON SPANISH LANGUAGE.
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion but not their own FACTS.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
The press is calling Zimmerman a "white Hispanic"... They are tripping all over themselves not to just tie Zimmerman to latinos... But conversely, Obama is 1/2 white but they call him the first black president, Tiger Woods is referred to as the first black golfer to win the Masters even though he is more Asian-pacific than any other ethnicity ..interesting how the press can be so selective who to call what, isn't it?....
"Arguing with liberals is like playing chess with a pigeon; no matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock out the pieces, crap on the board, and strut around like it is victorious." - Author Unknown
Um, then why aren't all countries with English as a language an ethnic group? That's my point, hispanic means pertaining to Spain, there is no such thing as an hispanic person, race, ethnic group, it was a US government invention for political purposes. Spain is a country in Europe. Spanish people are european. People of different nationalities, races, languages,(Spanish isn't the only language in Spain, or Mexico, etc.) are not a group, just because the US government says they are.
Um, then why aren't all countries with English as a language an ethnic group? That's my point, hispanic means pertaining to Spain, there is no such thing as an hispanic person, race, ethnic group, it was a US government invention for political purposes. Spain is a country in Europe. Spanish people are european. People of different nationalities, races, languages,(Spanish isn't the only language in Spain, or Mexico, etc.) are not a group, just because the US government says they are.
Maybe your problem is with the word "ETHNIC". An "ethnic group" does not necessarily mean RACIAL GROUP.
ethnic 1. pertaining to or characteristic of a people, especially a group (ethnic group) sharing a common and distinctive culture, religion, language, or the like. ETHNIC sharing a common language
2.referring to the origin, classification, characteristics, etc., of such groups.
3. being a member of an ethnic group, especially of a group that is a minority within a larger society
4. of, pertaining to, or characteristic of members of such a group.
5. belonging to or deriving from the cultural, racial, religious, or linguistic traditions of a people or country Ethnic can mean RACIAL, but also RELIGIOUS, LANGUAGE OR TRADITION
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
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