I think even you would admit that the Libertarian base is miniscule compared to other movements. Labor, Women's rights, Peace, or even Choice or Pro Life movements have a larger base than any Libertarian movement in this country.
Unlike the groups you mentioned, libertarians aren't looking toward the federal government for special privileges. The are challenging the federal governments power to grant privilege to one group while punishing another. All those special interest groups should go to their state house if the want privileges, not DC.
Unlike the groups you mentioned, libertarians aren't looking toward the federal government for special privileges. The are challenging the federal governments power to grant privilege to one group while punishing another. All those special interest groups should go to their state house if the want privileges, not DC.
Yadda yadda Yadda... same ole tune. For the USA to be U N I T E D as it's name implies, citizens rights must be universal. The Conservative plan is to cut federal programs pushing them on the state where they are much easier to 'starve' to death.
Conservatives don't care at all about "people", unless you are among the very top of the $$$ scale. As we speak, funds are being cut for "PEOPLE" while Conservatives sell corporations as "PEOPLE".
My views on the Conservative "Corporations are People Too:"
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
Yadda yadda Yadda... same ole tune. For the USA to be U N I T E D as it's name implies, citizens rights must be universal.
Forcing me to pay for health insurance isn't a right it's a demand, if you don't comply, you are punished. Am I missing something about universal rights here? Forcing healthy people to buy a product to pay for the care of the sick is just as I said, granting privilege to one group while punishing another. We are U N I T E D by threats of punishment by the federal government.
But, keep on repeating FREEDOM-FREEDOM-FREEDOM-FREEDOM!!!!
Forcing me to pay for health insurance isn't a right it's a demand, if you don't comply, you are punished. Am I missing something about universal rights here? Forcing healthy people to buy a product to pay for the care of the sick is just as I said, granting privilege to one group while punishing another. We are U N I T E D by threats of punishment by the federal government.
But, keep on repeating FREEDOM-FREEDOM-FREEDOM-FREEDOM!!!!
Above all Freedoms, above his freedom of speech, his freedom to bear arms, his freedom of religion... Cicero most values his freedom to die from an easily curable disease if he has no health insurance and can't afford to pay. Cic is willing to die for that right... (and if he loses his health insurance and someone like him made the laws... he would die... with a smile on his emaciated, pain wrecked, deceased face. )
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
Above all Freedoms, above his freedom of speech, his freedom to bear arms, his freedom of religion... Cicero most values his freedom to die from an easily curable disease if he has no health insurance and can't afford to pay. Cic is willing to die for that right... (and if he loses his health insurance and someone like him made the laws... he would die... with a smile on his emaciated, pain wrecked, deceased face. )
What was that rhetorical mumbo jumbo? Who's talking about dying? We're talking about rights and how being FORCED to buy insurance from a C O R P O R A T I O N is a universal right. Proceed with a logical explanation on how forcing people to buy insurance is a universal right.
What was that rhetorical mumbo jumbo? Who's talking about dying? We're talking about rights and how being FORCED to buy insurance from a C O R P O R A T I O N is a universal right. Proceed with a logical explanation on how forcing people to buy insurance is a universal right.
Not everyone is being FORCED to buy into the plan.
Snopes.com:
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Groups such as Anabaptists (Amish, Mennonites, etc) would likely qualify for an exemption from health insurance requirement as they have an established history of decvlining Social Security benefits and making their own provesions for dependent members
In other words Cicero... If you join the Amish, you won't have to pay!
It's interesting that when Universal Health Care first was discussed it was the Republicans who demanded that EVERYONE be forced to buy into the system. They were afraid that if it wasn't compulsory, some low life people like Cicero would not buy the insurance, but demand health care when they were sick, dying and unable to pay. America would not let these "dead beats" (as the GOP called them) die, so would be forced to pay their share.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
Not everyone is being FORCED to buy into the plan.
Snopes.com:
In other words Cicero... If you join the Amish, you won't have to pay!
It's interesting that when Universal Health Care first was discussed it was the Republicans who demanded that EVERYONE be forced to buy into the system. They were afraid that if it wasn't compulsory, some low life people like Cicero would not buy the insurance, but demand health care when they were sick, dying and unable to pay. America would not let these "dead beats" (as the GOP called them) die, so would be forced to pay their .
Box, you avoiding your own premise to your argument. I asked a simple question, where is the universal right to health insurance? And also, why are the Amish and other groups CHOSEN by the federal government exempt from these universal rights you speak of? Why do I have to join a certain group designated by the federal government to be exempt from this universal right? I though we were all equal? Obamacare makes some people more equal than others? Can hospitals refuse to treat the Amish that opt out of their universal right to health insurance?
Box, you avoiding your own premise to your argument. I asked a simple question, where is the universal right to health insurance. And also, why are the Amish and other groups CHOSEN by the federal government exempt from these universal rights you speak of? Why do I have to join a certain group designated by the federal government to be exempt from this universal right? I though we were all equal? Obamacare makes some people more equal than others? Can hospitals refuse to treat the Amish that opt out of their iniversal right to health insurance?
Cissy... don't you ever read anything but anti govt propaganda??? Self-employed Amish do not pay Social Security tax. Those employed by non- Amish employers do pay Social Security tax. The Amish do pay real estate, state and federal income taxes, county taxes, sales tax, etc.
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The Amish do not collect Social Security benefits, nor would they collect unemployment or welfare funds. Self sufficiency is the Amish community's answer to government aid programs. Section 310 of the Medicare section of the Social Security act has a sub-section that permits individuals to apply for exemption from the self-employment tax if he is a member of a religious body that is conscientiously opposed to Social Security benefits but that makes reasonable provision of taking care of their own elderly or dependent members. (Unlike Cicero) The Amish have a long history of taking care of their own members. They do not have retirement communities or nursing homes; in most cases, each family takes care of their own, and the Amish community gives assistance as needed.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
Cissy... don't you ever read anything but anti govt propaganda??? Self-employed Amish do not pay Social Security tax. Those employed by non- Amish employers do pay Social Security tax. The Amish do pay real estate, state and federal income taxes, county taxes, sales tax, etc.
What's that have to do with their exemption from Obamacare? Isn't that inequality?
What's that have to do with their exemption from Obamacare? Isn't that inequality?
Yup! It is... and??? Is it inequality that some are born to rich parents and can afford any college in the world? Yup. Is it inequality that some of us live in areas where public schools are below standard and there is no money to fix that problem. Yes again. Is it inequality that some of us have the means to buy health care while others die due to lack of it? Yea.
If you're a conservative or libertarian, you are actively working to increase that inequality.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
Can I have one of your jet ski's, come on box I just want to be equal to you, its only fair since you have more then me
"In the beginning of a change, the Patriot is a scarce man, brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a Patriot."
Yup! It is... and??? Is it inequality that some are born to rich parents and can afford any college in the world? Yup. Is it inequality that some of us live in areas where public schools are below standard and there is no money to fix that problem. Yes again. Is it inequality that some of us have the means to buy health care while others die due to lack of it? Yea.
If you're a conservative or libertarian, you are actively working to increase that inequality.
Oh, so Amish are democrats and there is a Republican war on Amish.
So back to that right to Heath Insurance...how did I get a right to buy it or face a penalty for not exercising my "right"? Lol
Oh, so Amish are democrats and there is a Republican war on Amish.
So back to that right to Heath Insurance...how did I get a right to buy it or face a penalty for not exercising my "right"? Lol
Don't bother, I asked him that question numerous times.
"In the beginning of a change, the Patriot is a scarce man, brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a Patriot."
Can I have one of your jet ski's, come on box I just want to be equal to you, its only fair since you have more then me
You definitely should have a right to that. It's really unfair. A large percentage of inner city minority may never jet ski on the water way rich white people like box can. Everybody should have a set of golf clubs so they can golf as much as Obama.
Can I have one of your jet ski's, come on box I just want to be equal to you, its only fair since you have more then me
I have no problem with the rich having more than I... I'm not jealous or envious. I have no problem with the poor being poor with in limits. I have no problem with some Americans having more... some having less.
For some reason in your twisted (so called)libertarian mind, you set up a straw and then argue with him. Your straw man doesn't speak for me.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
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