Obamacare, Public Opinion, and Conservative Self-Delusion
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One of the more important conservative beliefs about Obamacare, running right alongside the certainty that the law is a disaster that will fail in every respect, is the belief that Americans share their antipathy to the law. It certainly is true that the Affordable Care Act has a bad reputation, and the latest poll showing that support for Obamacare has dipped prompted the same wave of conservative gloating that results from every such poll.
But looking even an inch beneath the surface reveals a public more frustrated and confused by Obamacare than opposed. Its specific elements poll well, though they’re the least known elements. Four out of ten Americans don’t realize the law hasn’t been struck down. A new poll out shows that the public, by a ten-point margin, trusts Democrats over Republicans on health-care issues. By a 52–34 percent margin, they want Congress to implement or tinker with the law rather than repeal it. The nearly ubiquitous conservative belief that the public shares its passion for repealing Obamacare is a spate of self-delusion.
That overconfident delusion is the subject of Ramesh Ponnuru’s long National Review essay pleading with conservatives to stop believing their own bull$hit.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
The Dems (and pubs) passed the bill with the Grassely amendment that required Congress to eat it's own dog food... some didn't figure it out though... I guess they were like Pelosi..."we have to pass it so you can see what's in it"
"Arguing with liberals is like playing chess with a pigeon; no matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock out the pieces, crap on the board, and strut around like it is victorious." - Author Unknown
Most of BoxofCrap's quotes come from the N.Y. Times which is a left-wing nut rag.
The rest of America gets its news from a variety of sources AND from our real life experience. Pelosi and Tonko made fun Palin when she warned about "death panels" --- yet already we have seen that ObamaCare would have denied a lung transplant to a 10 year old girl "just because" it didn't fit some ObamaCare panel's rules. It took a court order to get that girl the life saving treatment that she needed. The rest of us may not be so lucky. Our first mistake was trusting Obama-Clinton and the Pelosipalosers with anything let alone our health --- I am pretty sure that Ambassador Stevens regrets trusting Obama and the Pelosipalosers to protect his life and health. ObamaCare is a mess and only going to get worse. Throw the Pelosipalosers out of Congress in 2014 and then impeach and convict Obama and Biden.
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"For this is what America is all about. It is the uncrossed desert and the unclimbed ridge. It is the star that is not reached and the harvest that is sleeping in the unplowed ground." Lyndon Baines Johnson
The problem was that hospital stays or serious chronic illness were too expensive for the average person to afford. The idea of "insurance" (spending scarce healthcare dollars on a third party which provided no care) to fix the problem of high costs is absurd on it's face, because the type of insurance we were talking about isn't even insurance at all, but a type of payment system. You can't afford to get cancer treatment so pay large amounts of your income to a private company every month, whether you ever get sick or not, just in case you might need it one day. It seems to me that what was needed was some kind of major medical/hospitalization policy. That would've been less expensive, because most people don't get cancer or what have you. Ifmy homeowner's insurance worked that way I would cancel it. It is relatively cheap because I only need it if my house burns down. With Obamacare I get to pay every month to cover frequent doctor's visits by people with bad health habits. What is wrong with going to the doctor and paying for it? If you can pay for insurance, you can pay to go to the doctor. If you can afford cigarettes, you can afford more frequent doctor visits. Hospital costs would have to come down if government and insurance weren't involved. You can't price health care so high only rich people can afford it unless you have that many rich people getting sick every day. Whose idea was it that Ellis would take over health care in Schenectady? Some quasi-governmental commission we had no control over. No accountability to the consumer. We can't take our business elsewhere easily.
Arizona will expand Medicaid to cover nearly 300,000 poor residents next year after a bipartisan coalition passed a measure backed by Gov. Jan Brewer through the state legislature on Thursday.
Brewer, a conservative and avowed foe of President Barack Obama's health care reform law, announced her support for the Medicaid expansion in January
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
only because they are 'on the take' on the other side....and there is more 'control'....you're only going to be served what the 'State Science Institute' thinks you need/deserve all the while plying your 'feelings' like a well played cello...
VICTORY!!!!!
...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......
The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.
STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
Those red states are looking better and better every day.
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"For this is what America is all about. It is the uncrossed desert and the unclimbed ridge. It is the star that is not reached and the harvest that is sleeping in the unplowed ground." Lyndon Baines Johnson
Not to worry -- the shrines for former Mayor Stratton and former County Legislature chairwoman Savage are still in existence --- we built new and separate shrines for Mayor McCarthy and others. I am not at liberty to tell you to whom all of the shrines are dedicated --- as the Democratic Temple is only open to privileged members of the Democratic party and we are forbidden to describe the full glory of this magnificent Temple to non-believers.
Yes, the DEMOCRAT voice DVOR who cheers for the increase of taxes on the financially struggling homeowners in the city of Schenectady. DV who gives all praise to the DEMOCRAT party for exempting the millionaires from paying taxes. A voice of a 51 yr old who does not live like a normal adult 51 yr old man and cheers for the DEMOCRATS STEALING from the taxpayers and giving the taxpayers money to the millionaires for lavish new buildings, and a ceiling of gold for King Philip. Cheering for the government theaters, cheering for the government bakery, the government restaurants, the goverment hotel, the goverment burrito bar, the government gym, the government hair salon, the government appliance store, all the time proclaiming a great renaissance uin the city that UNDER THE DEMOCRATS has seen NOTHING but falling tax base, plummeting home values, inability to sell houses, drastic increase in vacant residential units, increase in blight throughout the neighborhoods where people actually live, drastic reductions in NECESSARY city services while increasing the UNNECESSARY services such as STUPID "fancy lighting." A DEMOCRAT run city that is taking homes from the homeowners in order to tax them so high to pay for the taxes of the millionaires
Don't let DV's comments fool you. How else is an unemployed, 51 yrs old adult man supposed to obtain health care? Only choice is through the government, at the expense of the taxpayers of course.
Optimists close their eyes and pretend problems are non existent. Better to have open eyes, see the truths, acknowledge the negatives, and speak up for the people rather than the politicos and their rich cronies.
~ Arizona’s Jan Brewer ~ Michigan’s Rick Snyder ~ Ohio’s John Kasich ~ Florida’s Rick Scott ~ Nevada’s Brian Sandoval
And of course there is Mitt Romney Okay, Mitt Romney didn’t actually fight for Obamacare. But he did invent it. Romneycare and Obamacare aren’t exactly the same, of course. The Massachusetts plan covers gay couples and abortion.
And the one thing all of the governors — except Jan Brewer — who fought for Obamacare have in common? They all live in states President Obama won.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
How conservatives(not neocons) see domestic surveillance.
VIOLATION OF THE 4th AMENDMENT.
Off topic.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
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