If it were a Chinese scandal Snowden had revealed, he would have immediately become an American hero. But because it’s a U.S. government scandal, he instead becomes a traitor, even though authorities cannot specifically say how he harmed any Americans. The United States does not belong to the U.S. government, therefore this surveillance is genuinely damaging to the American people. But within the reversed values of rhetoric, those who speak out for justice for the American people instead turn into those who harm the American people. This kind of paradox often occurs in the Third World, but today it unfolds on the American stage—no wonder the whole world is in an uproar. http://watchingamerica.com/News/212709/did-he-really-do-anything-wrong/
When the INSANE are running the ASYLUM In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche
“How fortunate for those in power that people never think.” Adolph Hitler
If he were Chinese and had done this in China...or Russian and did it inside Russia, or XYZ and did it in XYZ, what do you think would have happened to him then...wanna venture a guess? Does DISAPPEARED NEVER TO BE HEARD FROM AGAIN maybe give you a clue?
As for "...authorities cannot specifically say how he harmed any Americans." OF COURSE NOT...DUH!!!! Why would we disclose the value of these leaks...would it be so those who want to harm Americans would know what we are doing with the information? THAT is lame a$$ reporting when they make stupid statements like that to make it sound like these leaks have caused no harm because the Government won't tell them what the harm was. Plain and simple BULL$HIT REPORTING!!!
JUST BECAUSE SISSY SAYS SO DOESN'T MAKE IT SO...BUT HE THINKS IT DOES!!!!! JUST BECAUSE MC1 SAYS SO DOESN'T MAKE IT SO!!!!!
If he were Chinese and had done this in China...or Russian and did it inside Russia, or XYZ and did it in XYZ, what do you think would have happened to him then...wanna venture a guess? Does DISAPPEARED NEVER TO BE HEARD FROM AGAIN maybe give you a clue?
Would the US government have extradited a Chinese or Russian whistleblower for revealing their governments surveillance on the Chinese and Russian population through a media outlet? Would the US send the traitor back to China for breaking Chinese national security laws?
BTW...The Chinese wouldn't do anything worse that what the Federal government did to Bradley Manning. Years of solitary confinement and torture.
Would the US government have extradited a Chinese or Russian whistleblower for revealing their governments surveillance on the Chinese and Russian population through a media outlet? Would the US send the traitor back to China for breaking Chinese national security laws?
BTW...The Chinese wouldn't do anything worse that what the Federal government did to Bradley Manning. Years of solitary confinement and torture.
what part of DISAPPEARED DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND?
JUST BECAUSE SISSY SAYS SO DOESN'T MAKE IT SO...BUT HE THINKS IT DOES!!!!! JUST BECAUSE MC1 SAYS SO DOESN'T MAKE IT SO!!!!!
Let us imagine that someone were to leak the entire NSA database, and it became public.
Every phone call in it's entirety.
Every email.
Every snail mail data bit.
Every GPS location of every telephone from 2000 and on.
Every private photo, video or audio ever transferred via the web.
Would the person that leaked it all be a hero or a villain?
People would be out of control.
Imagine when people found out their spouses were unfaithful, their kids have been lying to them, the billions of government lies and coverups.
A couple years back, on Coast To Coast Am, a psychic said that following the end of the Mayan calendar in December of 2012, that in in 2013 their would be a world wide awakening; where everyone would know each others thoughts and secrets. At the time I interpreted it to be everyone gaining the ability to read each others minds. Perhaps if every bit of data was publicly available to all, and their were no more secrets, the world would likely kill half of itself off, due to the initial outrage of being deceived.
Imagine the valuable lessons that would be learned.
The leaks we are seeing now are, to quote a Congressman,
A little dose of reality joebxr. It seems the US handled a Chinese defector similar to how China and Russia handled Snowden. Yes, Chinese do defect, this isn't a Hollywood movie.
Again joebxr, should the US have captured and returned the Chinese defector to stand trial for breaking Chinese law?
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World news Thursday 9 February 2012 03.29 EST
Chinese police chief suspected of trying to defect visited consulate, US confirms
Wang Lijun is said to be receiving 'vacation-style treatment' after hundreds of police surrounded the US consulate in Chengdu
Wang Lijun, who became well-known for a crackdown on organised crime in Chongqing. Photograph: AP Tania Branigan in Beijing
The Chinese police chief rumoured to have attempted defection amid political intrigue visited a US consulate this week, Washington has confirmed.
Political observers and internet users have been gripped by speculation about Wang Lijun's case since hundreds of police surrounded the building in south-western Chengdu on Tuesday and officials in nearby Chongqing said he was receiving "vacation-style treatment" for stress.
Asked about Wang, a top Chinese diplomat said it was an "isolated incident" and had been "resolved quite smoothly", the Associated Press reported. The deputy foreign minister, Cui Tiankai, who was briefing reporters on vice-president Xi Jinping's trip to the US next week, said it would not affect the visit.
Wang became known nationally for leading a crackdown on organised crime in Chongqing at the behest of the city's ambitious party secretary, Bo Xilai. The bigger question is how his case may affect Bo's prospects – and more generally the transition of power to a new generation of leaders this year.
He was regarded as a key ally of Bo and was appointed vice-mayor in May. But Wang's abrupt transferral to non-police duties last week led to claims that the two men had fallen out.
The state department spokeswoman Victoria Nuland told reporters in Washington: "Wang Lijun did request a meeting at the US consulate general in Chengdu earlier this week in his capacity as vice-mayor. The meeting was scheduled, our folks met with him, he did visit the consulate and he later left the consulate of his own volition … Obviously, we don't talk about issues having to do with refugee status, asylum."
She added that to her knowledge, the consulate had not been in contact with Wang since then.
The Chongqing information office did not answer calls on Thursday.
The South China Morning Post (SCMP) cited sources suggesting Wang had been flown to Beijing. There have been claims that investigators from the party's discipline and inspection committee arrived in Chongqing recently.
"It seems certain that Wang has got himself into major trouble and once the anti-triad campaign is allowed to be reviewed, it will be a decisive blow to Bo's career," Prof Yuan Weishi, a historian at Guangzhou's Sun Yat-sen University, told the SCMP.
Wang, 52, was born into a Mongolian family in northern Liaoning province. He became a traffic police officer in 1984 but rose rapidly through the ranks, earning a reputation as a gang-buster – and, according to Chinese media reports, a 6m yuan price on his head from enraged triads.
Observers think the fallout from events in Chongqing could mean a bumpy ride for Bo, who had been tipped to join the Politburo standing committee, and others. That could recast the broader political outlook, potentially to the benefit of liberals alarmed by what they see as Bo's leftist tendencies.
While many Chongqing residents welcomed the anti-triad campaign, critics accused it of trampling on the rule of law.
It is widely assumed Xi will become general secretary and president of China, with Li Keqiang taking over as president. But in a system of collective leadership, the composition of the full standing committee is crucial and analysts have warned that competition for places is fierce.
"The growing openness of self-promotion campaigns by some of these ambitious politicians, their idiosyncratic initiatives and policy interests, and their respective strengths and weaknesses have made this upcoming political succession a particularly challenging one for the [Communist party] leadership," wrote the Brookings Institute analyst Cheng Li in a recent paper.
A little dose of reality joebxr. It seems the US handled a Chinese defector similar to how China and Russia handled Snowden. Yes, Chinese do defect, this isn't a Hollywood movie.
Again joebxr, should the US have captured and returned the Chinese defector to stand trial for breaking Chinese law?
CISSY...at what point did I relate my post to anything to do with returning anyone for anything. My post was a statement of comparison on how other countries would handle such a leak in their world. YOU are the one trying to bait me into a discussion geared toward how you want to rant. Stick your James Bond world where the sun don't shine! BYE BYE !!!!
JUST BECAUSE SISSY SAYS SO DOESN'T MAKE IT SO...BUT HE THINKS IT DOES!!!!! JUST BECAUSE MC1 SAYS SO DOESN'T MAKE IT SO!!!!!
CISSY...at what point did I relate my post to anything to do with returning anyone for anything. My post was a statement of comparison on how other countries would handle such a leak in their world. YOU are the one trying to bait me into a discussion geared toward how you want to rant. Stick your James Bond world where the sun don't shine! BYE BYE !!!!
You truly are stupid.
I will contact the administrator to see if they can create a topic 'Joebxr talking to himself'. Then you can post all your senseless garbage, and everybody will know not to respond to that pile of sh!t.
I ask the guy a simple question about the US governments position on extraditing Chinese defectors to face Chinese justice and its suddenly baiting. WTF?
Henry, where is that video you posted that perfectly describes joebxr?
I will contact the administrator to see if they can create a topic 'Joebxr talking to himself'. Then you can post all your senseless garbage, and everybody will know not to respond to that pile of sh!t.
I ask the guy a simple question about the US governments position on extraditing Chinese defectors to face Chinese justice and its suddenly baiting. WTF?
Henry, where is that video you posted that perfectly describes joebxr?
Look JACKA$$...my post had nothing to do with what you wanted to bait me with. I chose not to enter into your rant, so because of that you want to attack me. Go ahead, attack all you want, because that is all you do. You are a total idiot and want to control all the discussions YOUR WAY! When someone doesn't want to play your game you try to humiliate them with more stupidity and dumb postings. Rant away....you are the most miserable person I have ever encountered. Now go watch your Princess Bride.....(LOL). That's the highest level of mentality you have, or are you going to watch Bevis and Cissyhead!
JUST BECAUSE SISSY SAYS SO DOESN'T MAKE IT SO...BUT HE THINKS IT DOES!!!!! JUST BECAUSE MC1 SAYS SO DOESN'T MAKE IT SO!!!!!
Look JACKA$$...my post had nothing to do with what you wanted to bait me with. I chose not to enter into your rant, so because of that you want to attack me. Go ahead, attack all you want, because that is all you do. You are a total idiot and want to control all the discussions YOUR WAY! When someone doesn't want to play your game you try to humiliate them with more stupidity and dumb postings. Rant away....you are the most miserable person I have ever encountered. Now go watch your Princess Bride.....(LOL). That's the highest level of mentality you have, or are you going to watch Bevis and Cissyhead!
Like I said, you should have your own thread. Free of any type of dialogue. You are mentally incapable. Back and forth debate isn't any kind of sinister game. Everybody else on this message board can handle any question posed to them. When you get a question challenging something you post, you go all Princess Bride.LOL
"In the beginning of a change, the Patriot is a scarce man, brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a Patriot."
Like I said, you should have your own thread. Free of any type of dialog. You are mentally incapable. Back and forth debate isn't any kind of sinister game. Everybody else on this message board can handle any question posed to them. When you get a question challenging something you post, you go all Princess Bride.LOL
You have no clue how to conduct a back and forth that isn't directed by you in the mode you want and managed entirely by you, Cissy Bride! Your game; your rules; your ball...only way you play!
JUST BECAUSE SISSY SAYS SO DOESN'T MAKE IT SO...BUT HE THINKS IT DOES!!!!! JUST BECAUSE MC1 SAYS SO DOESN'T MAKE IT SO!!!!!
NDAA allows our government to do just that, it allows indefinite detention without a trial so really he could disappear
"In the beginning of a change, the Patriot is a scarce man, brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a Patriot."
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Don't do it! Don't "bait" him into a dialogue. Joebxr's post's must go unchallenged. 
