Another ad hominem argument because he was caught making a claim with no evidence - again. Lol. This is fun. Box's faith based FACTS.
As I've posted many times before, if you have evidence that the Bin Laden Raid was a HOAX... I'd love to see it. If you think that the world press was hoodwinked into posting the Bin Laden story, then please, I would very much like to view the reason for that view.
If however your views are based solely on the whims of Conspiracy Crazies... I'm not interested.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
As I've posted many times before, if you have evidence that the Bin Laden Raid was a HOAX... I'd love to see it. If you think that the world press was hoodwinked into posting the Bin Laden story, then please, I would very much like to view the reason for that view.
If however your views are based solely on the whims of Conspiracy Crazies... I'm not interested.
Box, you are making assertions that I never made. I never said it was a HOAX. Those are your words, not mine. All I am saying is that key evidence(the body) was disposed of very QUICKLY and the public was never given that evidence. Like Henry said, the pictures of Saddam's dead sons were made public, the pictures of Saddam found in a spider hole and his execution were made public. The images of Gadaffi's dead body were made public. But the image of America's public enemy #1 OSAMA BIN LADEN were kept secret, supposedly for fear of upseting the Muslim world. That logic means the Presidents announcement that he killed Bin Laden would not upset the Muslim world, but the images of his dead body would. Ridiculous.
I never said I had evidence that the Bin Laden raid was a hoax, I said that the definitive piece of evidence(his dead body) was never released per the orders of this administration. My argument is that I don't agree with the premise behind the adminstrations argument as to why they didn't realese the photos. And since they didn't release the photos or key evidence, I cannot say for an absolute FACT that he is dead or alive. If I were to believe one or the other would be called faith.
"In the beginning of a change, the Patriot is a scarce man, brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a Patriot."
NSA revelations only 'the tip of the iceberg,' says Dem lawmaker By Daniel Strauss - 06/12/13 12:51 PM ET
The federal surveillance programs revealed in media reports are just "the tip of the iceberg," a House Democrat said Wednesday.
Rep. Loretta Sanchez (D-Calif.) said lawmakers learned "significantly more" about the spy programs at the National Security Agency (NSA) during a briefing on Tuesday with counterterrorism officials.
"What we learned in there," Sanchez said, "is significantly more than what is out in the media today."
Lawmakers are barred from revealing the classified information they receive in intelligence briefings, and Sanchez was careful not to specify what members might have learned about the NSA's work.
"I can't speak to what we learned in there, and I don't know if there are other leaks, if there's more information somewhere, if somebody else is going to step up, but I will tell you that I believe it's the tip of the iceberg," she said.
Sanchez's remarks on C-SPAN's "Washington Journal" came a day after House lawmakers were briefed by national security officials on clandestine data collection programs.
The briefing was meant to convince lawmakers that the surveillance programs are legal and necessary in fighting counterterrorism — an argument President Obama and other administration officials have made.
Lawmakers demanded the briefings after revelations last week about the NSA's collection of phone records and Internet data, and Sanchez said lawmakers were "astounded" by what they heard.
"I think it's just broader than most people even realize, and I think that's, in one way, what astounded most of us, too," Sanchez said of the briefing.
Box, you are making assertions that I never made. I never said it was a HOAX. Those are your words, not mine. All I am saying is that key evidence(the body) was disposed of very QUICKLY and the public was never given that evidence. Like Henry said, the pictures of Saddam's dead sons were made public, the pictures of Saddam found in a spider hole and his execution were made public. The images of Gadaffi's dead body were made public. But the image of America's public enemy #1 OSAMA BIN LADEN were kept secret, supposedly for fear of upseting the Muslim world. That logic means the Presidents announcement that he killed Bin Laden would not upset the Muslim world, but the images of his dead body would. Ridiculous.
I never said I had evidence that the Bin Laden raid was a hoax, I said that the definitive piece of evidence(his dead body) was never released per the orders of this administration. My argument is that I don't agree with the premise behind the adminstrations argument as to why they didn't realese the photos. And since they didn't release the photos or key evidence, I cannot say for an absolute FACT that he is dead or alive. If I were to believe one or the other would be called faith.
As stated above, posting Saddam's execution (by Iraqi courts and Iraqi executioners) worked in the best interest of the US govt and America. Posting his sons bodies was (i would guess) an attempt to quell suspicion that they had survived in Iraq and might take retribution on the populace.
I think Gaddafi's pics were in the public domaine, not US govt issue.
Your post: "And since they didn't release the photos or key evidence, I cannot say for an absolute FACT that he is dead or alive." ... Your fellow Conspiracy Crazy brethren never accepted Barack Obama's Actual Birth Certificate... so I doubt a few pics of the badly damaged body of Bin Laden would have convinced you or them.
Had they released the photos, you'd be claiming "PHOTO SHOPPED". You would be one of those Elvis Crazies who sees Elvis pumping gas at a local 'quickie mart'! Releasing the photos would have no gain and possibly some loss.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
Like his dad, Randy sponsors bills with no hope of passage just to quell his Groupies. It was never an attempt at 'legislation' but instead just one more in a long list of 2016 publicity stunts.
BTW, The publicity stunt worked.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
Like his dad, Randy sponsors bills with no hope of passage just to quell his Groupies. It was never an attempt at 'legislation' but instead just one more in a long list of 2016 publicity stunts.
BTW, The publicity stunt worked.
Going by the comments it looks as if that is what the people want.
"In the beginning of a change, the Patriot is a scarce man, brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a Patriot."
Going by the comments it looks as if that is what the people want.
Yea, comments on RP Groupie sites are very convincing. I wonder if he asked about the number of terror attacks that have been prevented (being a US Senator he should know) by this phone data?
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
Had they released the photos, you'd be claiming "PHOTO SHOPPED". You would be one of those Elvis Crazies who sees Elvis pumping gas at a local 'quickie mart'! Releasing the photos would have no gain and possibly some loss.
You are correct, they could be claimed to be photo shopped. And somebody that is an expert in that field may have ACCURATELY claimed that they were photo shopped - we'll never know. That evidence will never be challenged by a 3rd party. Either way, the photos were not put out, and they were not allowed to be scrutinized.
Realeasing those photos would have done nothing to affect the Muslim world any more than the drone campaign. The only thing that may have happened was that they were scrutinized by the American public.
Box, you are making assertions that I never made. I never said it was a HOAX. Those are your words, not mine. All I am saying is that key evidence(the body) was disposed of very QUICKLY and the public was never given that evidence. .
I don't know if Cicero is a Christian or a 'believer' but there is a world of people out there who believe in Jesus Christ as the son of God, yet they never saw the 'evidence'. The books written about the event are contradicting and unreliable, and even the paintings of the events are so very different that no one could identify the 'body' by the pics of the day.
They doubt what is factual and accept what is myth... but it does make em feel better.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
Realeasing those photos would have done nothing to affect the Muslim world any more than the drone campaign. The only thing that may have happened was that they were scrutinized by the American public.
A point you keep ignoring... Releasing the photos would have no gain for America or the administration. Drones have had a huge effect on decimating Al Qaeda.
For the last time... One has no positive effect... the other has a huge upside.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
Yea, comments on RP Groupie sites are very convincing. I wonder if he asked about the number of terror attacks that have been prevented (being a US Senator he should know) by this phone data?
Yahoo is a Ron Paul groupie website, wow I never knew.
"In the beginning of a change, the Patriot is a scarce man, brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a Patriot."
And somebody that is an expert in that field may have ACCURATELY claimed that they were photo shopped - we'll never know. That evidence will never be challenged by a 3rd party. Either way, the photos were not put out, and they were not allowed to be scrutinized.
Experts in the field scrutinized the Obama Birth Certificate. 3rd party, FactCheck.Org examed, photograped and handled the original in Hawaii... It had no effect on those driven by political agenda... It had no effect on those Conspiracy Crazies... Releasing the photos of a dead BinLaden would be the same. No positive effect and possibly a large downside.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
Yea, comments on RP Groupie sites are very convincing. I wonder if he asked about the number of terror attacks that have been prevented (being a US Senator he should know) by this phone data?
Yahoo is a Ron Paul groupie website, wow I never knew.
"In the beginning of a change, the Patriot is a scarce man, brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a Patriot."
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