Quoted from BuckStrider

Found out where Boxy is getting all his Obamacare 'good news' propaganda stories from....

REALLY TBird???  Ya mean that I DIDN'T get them from the LA Times,
just like I posted???  Duhhhhh!

(see for yourself)

LA Times:
"The Obamacare success stories you haven't been hear about"
http://www.latimes.com/busines......story#axzz2lmL7BoLT

Quoted from Box A Rox

REALLY TBird Buckstrider???  Ya mean that I DIDN'T get them from the LA Times,
just like I posted???  Duhhhhh!

(see for yourself)

LA Times:
"The Obamacare success stories you haven't been hear about"
http://www.latimes.com/busines......story#axzz2lmL7BoLT

Boxy... you picked the wrong response template...I fixed it for you...
and you're welcome

Quoted from 55tbird

Boxy... you picked the wrong response template...I fixed it for you...
and you're welcome

I occasionally get my Right Wingers mixed up... (they all sound alike)  

Quoted from Box A Rox

I occasionally get my Right Wingers mixed up... (they all sound alike)  

Well, I guess you need work on your reading comprehension, because I'm not lock step with any "wing"

Quoted from BuckStrider

Now we are starting to get into 'sub-Bush' numbers.
http://www.realclearpolitics.c....._in_ohio_120797.html

I read your link, and still didn't see any "SUB BUSH" numbers.
Since GWorstBush lowest numbers were 19%, an all time low for all modern US Presidents,
Obama is far from "Sub Bush" numbers.


President
Highest Approval Rating/Lowest Approval Rating
Obama76%39%
Bush (G.W.)92/19
Clinton73/36
Bush (G.H.W.)89/29
Reagan68/35
Carter/75/28
Ford74/37
Nixon67/23
Johnson80/35
Kennedy80/56
Eisenhower79/48
Truman87/22
Roosevelt84/48


           

Quoted from CICERO

Do the math...20,000 cancelled people at $300,000,000 total savings in unpaid claims for insurance companies equals $15K per person.  That is the price of a new compact car.  Or that is how much a minimum wage worker makes annually.  I have empathy for the 20k...But to turn that into a national crisis and a reason to overhall the system and mandate insurance is ridiculous.  Americans give more to chairty for things like Katrina and Irene.  

It should just be a National outrage that these policies exist/existed.
To cancel someone with breast cancer because they did not declare
they had visited a dermatologist is corruption and should be prosecuted.
For clarity, the post spoke about 2010 cancellations, and what you posted
was a hearing held in 2009 and only coverd 3 insurance companies:

Quoted Text

Published: June 18, 2009 2:08 AM
By THE LOS ANGELES TIMES,  THE LOS ANGELES TIMES
The hearing Tuesday on the controversial action known as rescission, which has left thousands of Americans burdened with costly medical bills despite paying insurance premiums, began a day after President Barack Obama outlined his proposals for revamping the nation's health-care system.

An investigation by the House Energy and Commerce subcommittee on oversight and investigations showed that health insurers WellPoint Inc., UnitedHealth Group and Assurant Inc. canceled the coverage of more than 20,000 people, allowing the companies to avoid paying more than $300 million in medical claims over a five-year period.

It also found that policyholders with breast cancer, lymphoma and more than 1,000 other conditions were targeted for rescission and that employees were praised in performance reviews for terminating the policies of customers with expensive illnesses.

I love how GrahamCroker posts idiocy to support you...

Quoted from joebxr

It should just be a National outrage that these policies exist/existed.
To cancel someone with breast cancer because they did not declare
they had visited a dermatologist is corruption and should be prosecuted.
For clarity, the post spoke about 2010 cancellations, and what you posted
was a hearing held in 2009 and only coverd 3 insurance companies:

For clarification, the propaganda was based on that hearing.  Those were the 3 largest insurance companies.  I have yet to see a national number of that statistic(denied claims) as a percentage of total claims.  If you can find me a national number, I'd be more than happy to revise.

You are a big follow the rules guy, now you want insurance companies to bend their rules and allow policy holders to violate the terms of the agreement?  ANARCHIST!

Quoted from CICERO

For clarification, the propaganda was based on that hearing.  Those were the 3 largest insurance companies.  I have yet to see an national number of that statistic(denied claims) as a percentage of total claims.  If you can find me a national number, I'd be more than happy to revise.

You are a big follow the rules guy, now you want insurance companies to bend their rules and allow policy holders to violate the terms of the agreement?  ANARCHIST!

For clarification, the quote was
"In 2010, when people were being canceled because they got sick, there was
all this outrage," he observes. "People have forgotten that."
That indicates outrage in 2010 when people were being canceled.
It doesn't fit your timeline of events, so you try to make it fit!!!  Sorry,
don't buy it!  How are "FACTS" to be categorized as propaganda? You even
posted the facts, and now you label them?  REALLY?

Bend rules?  Get real. Why would YOU believe that you need to inform the insurance company
that you visited a dermatologist as being categorized as pre-existing condition so that
allows them to cancel you with breast cancer?  How about you don't report you went to
the doctor and were treated for a cold, and now you develop prostate cancer, so the
insurance company can cancel you and deny paying for your treatment because you didn't
tell them you had a cold and were treated for it!

I don't know I am that big a follow the rules guy like you think.
But compared to you, I guess I am...(I don't believe in ignore all rules, cause I don't like them).
Pre-existing condition is too broad of a generalization and needs to be better clarified
and defined to eliminate this type of crap.

the insurance companies were cancelling folks because they went to an 'undeclared' doctor visit...well, now we will
have the reverse and it will be called compelling compliance and how to lower the cost and use of medical interventions...
how to do that you ask?

robo-calls for 'preventative medicine'(actually collecting stats for future payouts and risk management)they call that "healthcare'

1. must have yearly physical
2. must have said number of mammograms based on your age and national averages
3. must have said number of colonoscopies based on your age and national averages
4. must have regular blood tests for the monitoring of your future risk and weight on the system

payroll companies are in charge of collection of your premiums through your employers/SS....

"hello, Mr/s. Smith we notice that you missed your regularly scheduled blood tests. Is there a reason why and may we reschedule
that for you? I must also inform you of the penalty that will be levied against your paycheck for not complying with healthcare."

Quoted from joebxr

For clarification, the quote was
"In 2010, when people were being canceled because they got sick, there was
all this outrage," he observes. "People have forgotten that."
That indicates outrage in 2010 when people were being canceled.
It doesn't fit your timeline of events, so you try to make it fit!!!  Sorry,
don't buy it!  How are "FACTS" to be categorized as propaganda? You even
posted the facts, and now you label them?  REALLY?

What "FACTS"? This guy makes a claim that "in 2010 when people were being cancelled when they got sick, there was all this outrage” What fact is that?  Where is he getting that information?  Who was outraged?  How many people were outraged?  Since the author didn't cite his claim to cancelled policies, I researched it myself, and discovered in a MSM story, that the only statistic that would validate this guy's "CLAIM" of cancellations is this hearing in 09.  Maybe you can cite this guy's source that led him to claim "when people were being cancelled", there was all this "outrage".  

It's funny, you criticize my source of evidence for being outside this timeline, yet you have no problem taking some guy's "observation" that there were cancellations in 2010 and outraged people.  

This guy's letter that Box posted had ZERO FACTS.  It was his "observation" as stated in the article.  My point the author of the letter is, people forgot the outrage because THERE WASN'T ANY.  It was manufactured outrage created by TV News and Print News propaganda.  It was a distortion of facts.  Now people are looking around for those people that were dropped from their insurance after they became ill, and people are realizing - THEY DON'T PERSONALLY KNOW ANYBODY THAT IT HAPPENED TO.  

This guy's observation was based on his perception, a perception that was created through news propaganda.  NOT PERSOANL EXPERIENCE.  That is why he is so confused there is no "outrage” He was fed a line of bullshit for 3 years.

Quoted from CICERO

What "FACTS"? This guy makes a claim that "in 2010 when people were being cancelled when they got sick, there was all this outrage” What fact is that?  Where is he getting that information?  Who was outraged?  How many people were outraged?  Since the author didn't cite his claim to cancelled policies, I researched it myself, and discovered in a MSM story, that the only statistic that would validate this guy's "CLAIM" of cancellations is this hearing in 09.  Maybe you can cite this guy's source that led him to claim "when people were being cancelled", there was all this "outrage".  

It's funny, you criticize my source of evidence for being outside this timeline, yet you have no problem taking some guy's "observation" that there were cancellations in 2010 and outraged people.  

This guy's letter that Box posted had ZERO FACTS.  It was his "observation" as stated in the article.  My point the author of the letter is, people forgot the outrage because THERE WASN'T ANY.  It was manufactured outrage created by TV News and Print News propaganda.  It was a distortion of facts.  Now people are looking around for those people that were dropped from their insurance after they became ill, and people are realizing - THEY DON'T PERSONALLY KNOW ANYBODY THAT IT HAPPENED TO.  

This guy's observation was based on his perception, a perception that was created through news propaganda.  NOT PERSOANL EXPERIENCE.  That is why he is so confused there is no "outrage” He was fed a line of bullshit for 3 years.

The FACTS as you and I both posted were for investigation that happened in 2009 PRIOR to the claimed quote from the attorney. I do not know if his claim is fact or not, but I know he states happenings for 2010, "AFTER" the investigations.

So regardless, do you believe the insurance companies should be allowed to do this or not?

Quoted from joebxr

So regardless, do you believe the insurance companies should be allowed to do this or not?

What?  Write a policy stupid Americans can't comprehend?  Yes!  Americans are getting their premium rates because of this.  If they want the stipulations of the policy - READ IT - don't b**ch after.

Quoted from CICERO

For clarification, the propaganda was based on that hearing.  Those were the 3 largest insurance companies.  I have yet to see a national number of that statistic(denied claims) as a percentage of total claims.  If you can find me a national number, I'd be more than happy to revise.

You are a big follow the rules guy, now you want insurance companies to bend their rules and allow policy holders to violate the terms of the agreement?  ANARCHIST!

The Number of denied claims (once you've been cancelled) is 0.  It's the Republican Health Care Plan...
"Just go somewhere and die... preferably somewhere away from me so I don't have to see it or
listen to it... Just die!

Quoted from CICERO

What?  Write a policy stupid Americans can't comprehend?  Yes!  Americans are getting their premium rates because of this.  If they want the stipulations of the policy - READ IT - don't b**ch after.

Yes on page 117 paragraph 43, line 7 clearly states that they can deny any claim for any
reason if it's submitted on a day that ends in the letter "Y".  
Clearly, they should have read their plan.

One of those "low cost" plans that do not meet even minimum standards, that the GOP
wants you to keep.

Quoted Text

Since the Affordable Care Act passed, we've heard countless
stories of people receiving better coverage for less, no longer being denied
coverage due to pre-existing conditions, and receiving rebates from their
insurance companies. But too much of the mainstream media has been obsessed
with a bungled website rollout and insurance companies dropping people from
junk policies—instead of the millions of Americans who've directly benefited
from Obamacare.