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Box, not taking the word of a proven liar without independent confirmation isn't a theory. Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me. That's not a theory.
"Coverage" isn't "care". Affordable, making some people pay a lot more for a product so other people can have it too, that's twisting things to call that "affordable", because if that were so, nobody would need a subsidy, would they? Also, why don't some of these success stories just pay to go to the damn doctor themselves? If you use 'insurance', it goes up in price for everybody. Not a sensible way to pay for everyday costs. What would happen to the cost of homeowner's insurance if it "covered" home repairs, or someone to mow the lawn, etc? The cost goes SOMEWHERE, and it goes UP.
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Box, not taking the word of a proven liar without independent confirmation isn't a theory. Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me. That's not a theory.
"Coverage" isn't "care". Affordable, making some people pay a lot more for a product so other people can have it too, that's twisting things to call that "affordable", because if that were so, nobody would need a subsidy, would they? Also, why don't some of these success stories just pay to go to the damn doctor themselves? If you use 'insurance', it goes up in price for everybody. Not a sensible way to pay for everyday costs. What would happen to the cost of homeowner's insurance if it "covered" home repairs, or someone to mow the lawn, etc? The cost goes SOMEWHERE, and it goes UP.


Health Care Costs per Country BEFORE ObamaCare:


Compared to the rest of the 'developed world', the USA pays the most and gets less.  
ObamaCare is already bringing down the cost of health care in America.


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

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Yet Just Another ObamaCare success story...


LA Times.

Thank You President Barack Hussein Obama!


AGAIN....affordable is subjective....they haven't met their deductible yet.....


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


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What proof do I have of what hillary was looking at???
I don't know... What PROOF do you have?  Or is it just a Theory... A Conspiracy Theory???


There is no proof what she was looking at.  The theory is she was watching the bin laden raid.  It was a staged photo, accompanied by a staged story.  Saying there is no proof isn't a theory, it just stating a fact, there is no proof.  Another fact is, US military troops are still in Afghanistan well after Bin Laden was killed, there are no Al Qaeda training facilities in Afghanistan, and the Taliban was removed from power.  That was the bases if the mission...The mission was accomplished, yet the US is still at war with Afghanistan and spending billions.


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BS. That chart proves nothing about what WILL HAPPEN. BTW, under Romneycare, employers have had costs go UP.
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There is no proof what she was looking at.  The theory is she was watching the bin laden raid.  It was a staged photo, accompanied by a staged story. .


Just like they never showed proof of his death in said raid, also you got to love the timeline they said they did everything in which never added up.


"In the beginning of a change, the Patriot is a scarce man, brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a Patriot."

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BS. That chart proves nothing about what WILL HAPPEN. BTW, under Romneycare, employers have had costs go UP.


For US Health Care, ALL employers have had their 'costs go up'.
Under Obama Care, health care costs have increased at the smallest rate in 50 years!!!


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Still More ObamaCare Successes!

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It's not only recipients of subsidies who are benefiting. Jason Noble, 44, who has
his own property management firm in Southern California, found a gold plan that will cover
his wife and their three children--a daughter, 9, and 5-year-old twins--for a little less than
$1,300 a month. That's slightly more than they'd be paying next year for their existing Blue
Shield plan, but the benefits are much greater, including pediatric dental coverage.
Their family deductible will fall from $3,400 to zero.
Last year, the family had a health scare that ran them $1,800 in out-of-pocket expenses;
a similar event next year would cost them nothing. "It's definitely a good deal," Noble says.


LA Times


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For US Health Care, ALL employers have had their 'costs go up'.
Under Obama Care, health care costs have increased at the smallest rate in 50 years!!!


using that logic, that means every freakin' year we'll have a podium conversation about 'keeping the cost down'...so
saying a 2% increase every year (over 10 years) is cost control as opposed to a 2.5% increase is STUPID.....

the whitewash language of the politicians and their stat-ologists(proctologists) and propaganda makers will be all it
will turn into...AGAIN....medical insurance for medical procedures....how do you control costs,,,MOVE THE FU(KING
STATS AROUND...easy peasey sweetie....

healthcare is personal and is used as scare tactic lingo.....


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

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Still More ObamaCare Successes!



LA Times


paying cash to the dentist is still cheaper than paying a premium you may never use...SHOW ME THE $$ TRAIL...

same as car insurance.....


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

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paying cash to the dentist is still cheaper than paying a premium you may never use...SHOW ME THE $$ TRAIL...

same as car insurance.....


When is the last time you had anything more than a cleaning at the Dentist?
Neighbor had a bridge done last week, one tooth bridged to 2 others...$2,600.00
His Medicare Advantage Plan covered  approx. 58%. Without health insurance he would have paid
full boat...his entire contribution to Medicare and Advantage plan is less than $2k annually.

So you claim same is true for car insurance (don't buy insurance, just pay out of pocket if needed)
...obviously you have no clue what car repairs cost
these days...and you definitely don't understand what a law suit against you in a car accident would cost....
I'll give you a hint....without auto insurance you would be DESTROYED!


JUST BECAUSE SISSY SAYS SO DOESN'T MAKE IT SO...BUT HE THINKS IT DOES!!!!!  
JUST BECAUSE MC1 SAYS SO DOESN'T MAKE IT SO!!!!!  
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Medical Bills Are the Biggest Cause of US Bankruptcies

Bankruptcies resulting from unpaid medical bills will affect nearly 2 million people
this year—making health care the No. 1 cause of Bankruptcy filings, and
outpacing bankruptcies due to credit-card bills or unpaid mortgages.

Even outside of bankruptcy, about 56 million adults—more than 20 percent of the
population between the ages of 19 and 64—will still struggle with health-care-related
bills this year, according to NerdWallet Health.

NerdWallet found, 15 million people will deplete their savings to cover medical bills.
Another 10 million will be unable to pay for necessities such as rent, food and utilities
because of those bills.

More than 25 million people are skipping doses, taking less medication or delaying
refilling prescriptions to save money, NerdWallet found.

"That statistic is actually quite troubling," LaMontagne said. Delaying needed medication
is a short-term fix that only triggers more health problems in the long term, she said.

CNBC


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Medical Bills Are the Biggest Cause of US Bankruptcies


What's the #2 cause of bankruptcy?  How about #3?  Let's force everybody to insure whatever it is!!!  Insurance companies would LOVE IT!!!

1.     The total amount of consumer debt in the US is nearly $2.4 trillion in 2010. That’s $7,800 debt per person.

2.     Thirty-three percent of that debt is revolving debt (such as credit card debt), the other 67 percent comes from loans (such as car loans, student loans, mortgages and the like).

3.     $51 billion worth of fast food was charged to credit cards in 2006, compared to $33.2 billion the previous year.

4.     The average credit card debt per cardholder is $5,100, and expected to increase to $6,500 by the end of the year.

5.    1 in 10 consumers has more than 10 credit cards.

6.     The average consumer carries 4 credit cards. While the average household carries $6,500 of debt.

7.     1 in 50 households carry more than $20,000 in credit card debt. That amounts to more than 2 million households.

8.     4.5 percent of cardholders are 60 or more days late in their payments.

9.     Roughly 2 – 2.5 million Americans seek the help of a credit counselor each year to avoid bankruptcy.


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When is the last time you had anything more than a cleaning at the Dentist?
Neighbor had a bridge done last week, one tooth bridged to 2 others...$2,600.00
His Medicare Advantage Plan covered  approx. 58%. Without health insurance he would have paid
full boat...his entire contribution to Medicare and Advantage plan is less than $2k annually.

So you claim same is true for car insurance (don't buy insurance, just pay out of pocket if needed)
...obviously you have no clue what car repairs cost
these days...and you definitely don't understand what a law suit against you in a car accident would cost....
I'll give you a hint....without auto insurance you would be DESTROYED!


I'm not saying some things aren't expensive...and that is also subjective......paying dental insurance over 15 years
then using it for a mere $2600.00(something some folks spend on christmas gifts on credit cards) while the insurance
company has made HOW MUCH???

the government will come to valuing you/me everyone.....

it's funny that we will charge a $1000.00 christmas owing a banker for a toy and then complain about paying for
a medical intervention that we think will better our lives.....



...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


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we almost always buy the flat screen tv and put off going to the dentist until it is a BIGGER problem when we finally do go....

but don't worry....national health'care' is here to compel you to 'do what is right in the eyes of god government'.....


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


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