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what do you call what the Dems did, using a simple majority vote to pass the law because Scot Brown was elected Senator in Mass. and they were not going to have the votes needed to pass the law. The Dems threw the moderate Dems under the bus after they forced them to vote in favor of Obamacare. The Dems aren't lilly white in the debacle. The Reps wasted their time trying to repeal the law, they should have just let the law self destruct on it's own.
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The Dems refused to let the Reps have any say in how the law was written
so what do you expect them to do, help the Dems straighten out the mess that they
created?


Shadow,
You've just repeated the Republican scam but it just isn't true:
From the original ObamaCare proposal,
The REPUBLICANS ASKED FOR AND GOT:

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1. REPUBLICANS ASKED FOR – DEFICIT NEUTRAL BILL: “Do the American people believe
that this almost 2,000 page bill won’t add to the deficit?” [Rep. Eric Cantor, 10/29/2009]
HOUSE BILL – DEFICIT NEUTRAL BILL: According to the Congressional Budget Office, the
House bill costs $894 billion over 10 years and actually reduces the deficit by $30 billion
and continues to reduce the deficit over the second 10 years.
2. REPUBLICANS ASKED FOR – REDUCE COSTS OVER LONG TERM: “Nevertheless, House
Republicans recognize the need to lower health care costs.” [Rep. Mike Pence (R-IN),
9/9/09]
HOUSE BILL – REDUCES COSTS OVER LONG TERM: Encourages payment reforms that can
help lower costs. Requires the Department of Health and Human Services to establish specific
benchmarks for expansion of the Accountable Care Organization, Payment Bundling, and Medical
Home pilot programs. The bill will also slow the rate of growth of the Medicare program from
6.6% annually to 5.3%.
3. REPUBLICANS ASKED FOR – POLICIES ACROSS STATE LINES: “Interstate competition allowing
people to buy insurance across state lines.” [Sen. John Thune (R-SD), 9/8/2009]
HOUSE BILL – POLICIES ACROSS STATE LINES: Allows for the creation of State Health Insurance
Compacts – permits states to enter into agreements to allow for the sale of insurance across
state lines.
4. REPUBLICANS ASKED FOR – MEDICAL MALPRACTICE REFORM: “Why not bring about reasonabl
e restrictions and limits on medical malpractice claims to end the era of defensive medicine?”
[Rep. Mike Pence (R-IA), 9/9/2009]
HOUSE BILL – ENCOURAGES MALPRACTICE REFORM: The bill establishes a voluntary state
incentives grant program to encourage states to implement “certificate of merit” and “early
offer” alternatives to traditional medical malpractice litigation.
5. REPUBLICANS ASKED FOR – HIGH RISK POOLS: “Senator McCain has a proposal sometimes
called high-risk pools at the state level…These are efforts I think we can have bipartisan
agreement on and deal with the question of pre-existing conditions.” [Rep. Eric Cantor (R-VA),
9/10/2009]
HOUSE BILL – HIGH RISK POOLS: To fill the gap before the Exchange becomes available in 2013,
the bill creates an insurance program with financial assistance for those uninsured for several
months or denied policy due to preexisting conditions.
6. REPUBLICANS ASKED FOR – ALLOW YOUNG PEOPLE TO STAY ON PARENTS’ POLICIES:
“Recognizes that not all high school and college graduates are able to find a job that offers
health care coverage after graduation. By allowing dependents to remain on their parents’
health policies up to the age of 25, the number of uninsured Americans could be reduced by
up to 7 million.” [Republican Health Solutions Group]
HOUSE BILL – ALLOW YOUNG PEOPLE TO STAY ON PARENTS’ POLICIES: The bill requires health
plans to allow young people to remain on their parents’ insurance policy until they turn 27.
7. REPUBLICANS ASKED FOR – NO PUBLIC MONEY FOR ABORTION: “The American people will
not stand for government-run insurance that uses taxpayer money to fund abortions in this
country.” [Rep. Mike Pence (R-IN), 10/16/2009]
HOUSE BILL – NO PUBLIC MONEY FOR ABORTION: The bill prohibits abortion services from being
made part of essential benefits package and prohibits federal funds from being used to pay
for abortion (except in cases of rape, incest, and to save life of the woman).
8. REPUBLICANS ASKED FOR – PROTECT SMALL BUSINESSES: “Helps employers offer health
care coverage to their workers by reducing their administrative costs through a new small
business tax credit.” [Republican Health Solutions Group]
HOUSE BILL – PROTECTS SMALL BUSINESSES: The bill exempts 86% of businesses from the
requirement to provide coverage. Businesses with payrolls below $500,000 are exempt while
firms with payrolls between $500,000 and $750,000 would pay a graduated penalty. Small
businesses would also receive a tax credit that helps cover 50% of their health care expenses.
9. REPUBLICANS ASKED FOR – PROMOTE JOB WELLNESS PROGRAMS: “Promotes prevention
and wellness by giving employers and insurers greater flexibility to financially reward employees
who seek to achieve or maintain a healthy weight, quit smoking, and manage chronic illnesses
like diabetes.” [Republican Health Solutions Group]
HOUSE BILL – PROMOTE JOB WELLNESS PROGRAMS: The bill establishes a grant program to
help small employers create or strengthen workplace wellness programs.
10. REPUBLICANS ASKED FOR – DELIVERY SYSTEM REFORM: “Uses new and innovative treatment
programs to better coordinate care between health
care providers, ensuring that those with chronic disease receive the care they need and do not
continue to fall through the cracks.” [Republican Health Solutions Group]
HOUSE BILL – DELIVERY SYSTEM REFORM: The bill requires the Department of Health and
Human Services to establish specific benchmarks for the expansion of the Accountable Care
Organization, Payment Bundling, and Medical Home pilot programs.

11. REPUBLICANS ASKED FOR – HELP AMERICANS 55-64: “To help those
aged 55 to 64, the plan increases support for pre- and early-retirees with low- and
modest-incomes.” [Republican Health Solutions Group]
HOUSE BILL – HELPS AMERICANS 55-64:: Creates a reinsurance program to help cover expensive
health claims for employers that provide coverage to Americans 55-64.


Of course the GOP is relying on Gullible People believing their "we were shut out of the negotiations"
scam... and for you it worked!


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

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Where are the big ones tort reform and shop across state lines? Where's the deficit NEUTRAL bill? Where's the cost reduction long term? Where are the rest of the good things that were asked for, taken out in the Senate or removed by regulation.
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Where are the big ones tort reform and shop across state lines? Where's the
deficit NEUTRAL bill? Where's the cost reduction long term? Where are the rest of the
good things that were asked for, taken out in the Senate or removed by regulation.


OK  If you really didn't see it in my post, here it is one at a time:
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REPUBLICANS ASKED FOR – DEFICIT NEUTRAL BILL:

HOUSE BILL – DEFICIT NEUTRAL BILL:
According to the Congressional Budget Office, the House bill costs $894 billion over 10
years and actually reduces the deficit by $30 billion and continues to reduce the deficit
over the second 10 years.


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REPUBLICANS ASKED FOR – POLICIES ACROSS STATE LINES:
HOUSE BILL – POLICIES ACROSS STATE LINES:
Allows for the creation of State Health Insurance Compacts – permits states
to enter into agreements to allow for the sale of insurance across state lines.


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REPUBLICANS ASKED FOR – MEDICAL MALPRACTICE REFORM: (Tort Reform)
HOUSE BILL – ENCOURAGES MALPRACTICE REFORM: The bill establishes a voluntary state
incentives grant program to encourage states to implement “certificate of merit” and “early
offer” alternatives to traditional medical malpractice litigation.






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philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

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What a crock of crap Box. The states can shop across state lines, it's a federal law. Encourages tort reform, that's BS for it aint going to happen. The CBO has already said that it's going to cost more than the Dems said it would along with the fact that there are all kinds of hidden taxes in the law that were put in after passage. Why didn't the Dems make the health-care mandate optional like tort reform and shopping across state lines. It should have been mandated in the law.
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What a crock of crap Box. The states can shop across state lines, it's a federal law. Encourages tort reform, that's BS for it aint going to happen. The CBO has already said that it's going to cost more than the Dems said it would along with the fact that there are all kinds of hidden taxes in the law that were put in after passage. Why didn't the Dems make the health-care mandate optional like tort reform and shopping across state lines. It should have been mandated in the law.


Is Tort Reform in the GOP Health Care plan???
Is shopping across state lines in their plan???
Is anything in the GOP PLAN??
(Answer)
NO!  THERE IS NO GOP PLAN!


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health care reform is a stupid title....

INSURANCE REFORM IS WHAT IS NEEDED....

you see no matter how 'stupid' the dems/reps look....THEY HAVE THE SAME GOAL IN MIND.....

national 'health care' (insurance) is no different than food stamp programs or otherwise.......

BOTH PARTIES WILL TELL YOU WHEN YOU MEET THE SUBSIDY LEVEL AND THE HEALTH REQUIREMENTS NEEDED FOR
CERTAIN PROCEDURES.....


it will still be a podium puck with the plebs all running around 'oh so scared', just so the windy mouth pieces at the podiums
can continue to refer to everyone as 'poor old,sick,female,kids,etc etc etc. we have to do this for the poor slobs'.....



...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

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WOW!… NY Senator Admits “We All Knew” Prez Was Misleading About ObamaCare (Video)


http://www.thegatewaypundit.co.....-about-o-care-video/

Raddatz: Do you feel misled by Obama?

Gillibrand: He should have been more specific…

Raddatz: So were you misled?

Gillibrand: No, we all knew. The whole point of the plan is to cover things people need.


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WOW!… NY Senator Admits “We All Knew” Prez Was Misleading About ObamaCare (Video)


http://www.thegatewaypundit.co.....-about-o-care-video/

Raddatz: Do you feel misled by Obama?

Gillibrand: He should have been more specific…

Raddatz: So were you misled?

Gillibrand: No, we all knew. The whole point of the plan is to cover things people need.


YUP I agree with Kristen.

Raddatz: Do you feel misled by Obama?

Gillibrand: He should have been more specific…

Raddatz: So were you misled?

Gillibrand: No, we all knew.
The whole point of the plan is to cover things people need.


YES, and their sub standard plans didn't COVER THINGS THAT PEOPLE NEED!

Exactly Cicero.  Thanks for making that point.



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YES, and their sub standard plans didn't COVER THINGS THAT PEOPLE NEED!


* the government acting on your behalf will decide what you need and when you need it.

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* the government acting on your behalf will decide what you need and when you need it.



....and knowingly lying to Americans to sell them something they supposedly want and need.  That's democracy in action.  

Box and his fellow authoritarians know EXACTLY what everybody needs.  That's why they had to lie about it.  


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'needs' become mandates to shut up the plebs....


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

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....and knowingly lying to Americans to sell them something they supposedly want and need.  That's democracy in action.  

Box and his fellow authoritarians know EXACTLY what everybody needs.  That's why they had to lie about it.  


Wait....

So this means I won't save $2500/ year under the new ACA, they lied about that too?

Oh, and speaking of lying, remember right before the election when the unemployment rate dropped like .3% and CEOs were yelling 'bullshit' and Boxy was cheerleading saying Obama policies were working?

Looks like the evil CEOs were right and yet another scandal is about to rock our already beat up, lame duck POTUS....

http://nypost.com/2013/11/18/census-faked-2012-election-jobs-report/

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Census ‘faked’ 2012 election jobs report

By John Crudele

November 18, 2013 | 8:06pm


In the home stretch of the 2012 presidential campaign, from August to September, the unemployment rate fell sharply — raising eyebrows from Wall Street to Washington.

The decline — from 8.1 percent in August to 7.8 percent in September — might not have been all it seemed. The numbers, according to a reliable source, were manipulated.

And the Census Bureau, which does the unemployment survey, knew it.






"Approval ratings go up and down for various reasons... An example is the high post 911 support for
GWB even though he could be said to be responsible for the event." --- Box A Rox '9/11 Truther'

Melania is a bimbo... she is there to look at, not to listen to. --- Box A Rox and his 'War on Women'

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Healthcare Plan Enrollment Surges in States

"Despite the disastrous rollout of the federal government's healthcare website, enrollment is
surging in many states as tens of thousands of consumers sign up for insurance plans made
available by President Obama's health law," the Los Angeles Times reports.

"A number of states that use their own systems, including California, are on track to hit enrollment
targets for 2014 because of a sharp increase in November."

California — which enrolled about 31,000 people in health plans last month —
nearly doubled that in the first two weeks of this month.

Connecticut and Kentucky, are outpacing their enrollment estimates.

Minnesota's, enrollment in the second half of October ran at triple the rate of the first half.

Washington state is also on track to easily exceed its October enrollment figure.

New York's enrollment has continued at roughly October's rate and stands at 24,509


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Hahaha!!!

Enrollment is surging because people that were told they can keep their insurance are getting dropped.  A self fulfilling prophesy. The government takes away your health insurance, then claim success when you are forced by their law to buy more expensive insurance.  Good job box!


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