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OK, you offered no less invasive method, so guess you don't know of an alternative.

Let's be clear (and you have said before you are a caregiver, so should really know this)....

First, the "age window" as you have called it, is historically based on susceptibility.
It is a guide and by no means definitive and exact. I am aware of people in there 20's
and others under 50 that have had colonoscopies at the recommendation of their
personal Physician because of some indicator.....see, that's called PROACTIVE!!!!

IF (notice I said "IF", during a colonoscopy something is found, and the polyps are small,
they can be removed at that time (and tested after for cancerous cells). So there is immediate care
without having to go through more intensive  procedures.  IF (there's that word again), ANYTHING
is discovered, then there are follow-up procedures to determine if there is a malignancy or not.
So if it is a FALSE POSITIVE, there are procedures for follow-up to determine the validity. Also,
IF (there it is again), a person is concerned about the diagnosis, they can get a second opinion,
and the health care program pays for that.


so wasting time chasing the 'negative' or 'positive' is what we should all do...run around like rats in a maze...sitting
in waiting room after waiting room reading crappy old magazines or playing candy crush(I like this game and someday I'm
going to finish it), all while waiting for some medical god to give me a clean slate...because in the end that's what we
are all looking for is a clean slate.....even when diagnosed with cancer and then treated all those follow ups
are looking for a clean slate....that's a sentence from HELL. that's a journey that someone else made...why? because
not a one of us can tell the doctor they are wrong because we don't know what they know...we don't speak the
medical language...the doctor can tell you that you have asparagus and that you need to drink such and such every
day to keep it 'at bay'.....I'm not saying never go to the doc, by my goodness KNOW YOUR BODY, listen to your body
use your body, play using your body, feed your body.....but DON'T let any one remove from you your born right
to take care of yourself...

we weren't born with a food pyramid as an instinct
we weren't born with margarine growing on trees
we weren't born picking breakfast bars off shrubs
we weren't born having meat irradiated by some giant corporation so we can consume it





...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

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YES, we should eat healthy, but we don't and that may or may not be the cause of an illness.
YES, even people who eat healthy and live a "healthy" style life get sick.
YES, in any of these cases, it is still a proactive position to have testing
and see if there is cause for concern and get additional help.  WHY CAN'T YOU GET THAT!!!
Government insurance or private insurance or no insurance.,...doing this is sensible
and being PROACTIVE!  Personally, I don't choose to wait until I have symptoms that
are diagnosed as cancer, if there is an option to try and determine the issue early
and treatable and offers a better chance of survival!


JUST BECAUSE SISSY SAYS SO DOESN'T MAKE IT SO...BUT HE THINKS IT DOES!!!!!  
JUST BECAUSE MC1 SAYS SO DOESN'T MAKE IT SO!!!!!  
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ISN'T THAT WHAT I SAID THAT!!!!!!!!!
Health care pays for you to get checked!  Why is that so hard to understand!
DUH!!!!


You are mixing terms again.  Heath care pays for nothing.  Health care is the act of caring for your health.  Heath insurance is risk management for medical care you may need if you become sick.  Me paying into a risk pool to offer preventative heath care for a 400 lb smoker that eats McDonalds 7 days a week is a waste of my money.  If he needs a doctor to tell him to quit smoking and stop eating McDonalds everyday, then he can pay for that doctor visit himself.  Just like changing my bald tires because I spin my tires at every stop sign, I don't expect to pass the cost of my responsibility for changing my tires onto the entire risk pool.  Unless you want to pay for my mechanic to tell me to stop spinning my tires, because I am shortening the life of them.


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so wasting time chasing the 'negative' or 'positive' is what we should all do...run around like rats in a maze...sitting
in waiting room after waiting room reading crappy old magazines or playing candy crush(I like this game and someday I'm
going to finish it), all while waiting for some medical god to give me a clean slate...because in the end that's what we
are all looking for is a clean slate.....even when diagnosed with cancer and then treated all those follow ups
are looking for a clean slate....that's a sentence from HELL. that's a journey that someone else made...why? because
not a one of us can tell the doctor they are wrong because we don't know what they know...we don't speak the
medical language...the doctor can tell you that you have asparagus and that you need to drink such and such every
day to keep it 'at bay'.....I'm not saying never go to the doc, by my goodness KNOW YOUR BODY, listen to your body
use your body, play using your body, feed your body.....but DON'T let any one remove from you your born right
to take care of yourself...

we weren't born with a food pyramid as an instinct
we weren't born with margarine growing on trees
we weren't born picking breakfast bars off shrubs
we weren't born having meat irradiated by some giant corporation so we can consume it





WOW !

Guess this is a dead end.
I can only explain it to you over and over,
but it's obvious I can't help you understand it!!!

CIAO !!!


JUST BECAUSE SISSY SAYS SO DOESN'T MAKE IT SO...BUT HE THINKS IT DOES!!!!!  
JUST BECAUSE MC1 SAYS SO DOESN'T MAKE IT SO!!!!!  
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You are mixing terms again.  Heath care pays for nothing.  Health care is the act of caring for your health.  Heath insurance is risk management for medical care you may need if you become sick.  Me paying into a risk pool to offer preventative heath care for a 400 lb smoker that eats McDonalds 7 days a week is a waste of my money.  If he needs a doctor to tell him to quit smoking and stop eating McDonalds everyday, then he can pay for that doctor visit himself.  Just like changing my bald tires because I spin my tires at every stop sign, I don't expect to pass the cost of my responsibility for changing my tires onto the entire risk pool.  Unless you want to pay for my mechanic to tell me to stop spinning my tires, because I am shortening the life of them.


You don't need a mechanic...you're the QUEEN OF SPIN!!!!
Health Insurance is what they chose to call it....it pays certain amounts for HEALTH CARE....not going to play your game.
You're a side-stepping distortion pro, I admit defeat!!! Can't compete with your expertise....and don't ever want to.

CIAO!!!


JUST BECAUSE SISSY SAYS SO DOESN'T MAKE IT SO...BUT HE THINKS IT DOES!!!!!  
JUST BECAUSE MC1 SAYS SO DOESN'T MAKE IT SO!!!!!  
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Cissy doesn't want to pay for the insurance policy... he'd rather wait till he needs health care, then
check into the ER as a ward of the state.  In other words, Cissy wants US to pay for his medical
needs.


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

John Kenneth Galbraith

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YES, we should eat healthy, but we don't and that may or may not be the cause of an illness.
YES, even people who eat healthy and live a "healthy" style life get sick.
YES, in any of these cases, it is still a proactive position to have testing
and see if there is cause for concern and get additional help.  WHY CAN'T YOU GET THAT!!!
Government insurance or private insurance or no insurance.,...doing this is sensible
and being PROACTIVE!  Personally, I don't choose to wait until I have symptoms that
are diagnosed as cancer, if there is an option to try and determine the issue early
and treatable and offers a better chance of survival!


chance? there are no cards to count...there AREN'T 52 cards.....I've taken care of a few folks that spend their days
at the doctor's and testings...fine...do that...but I shouldn't have to pay for your fear...that's what the movies are
for...If I want to be scared I pay for a ticket for MYSELF to get scared...but I am not going to let a system of
fear rule my life or take up space in my head...


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

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chance? there are no cards to count...there AREN'T 52 cards.....I've taken care of a few folks that spend their days
at the doctor's and testings...fine...do that...but I shouldn't have to pay for your fear...that's what the movies are
for...If I want to be scared I pay for a ticket for MYSELF to get scared...but I am not going to let a system of
fear rule my life or take up space in my head...


This IS a dead end.
I can continue trying to explain it to you,
but I can't understand it for you!!!

Starting to think you are Cissyboy's alter ego!!!!

CIAO !!!


JUST BECAUSE SISSY SAYS SO DOESN'T MAKE IT SO...BUT HE THINKS IT DOES!!!!!  
JUST BECAUSE MC1 SAYS SO DOESN'T MAKE IT SO!!!!!  
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Cissy doesn't want to pay for the insurance policy... he'd rather wait till he needs health care, then
check into the ER as a ward of the state.  In other words, Cissy wants US to pay for his medical
needs.


We're not talking about insurance, it is managed healthcare.  You and Joey are talking about things like prostate exams or mammograms.  That isn't insurance.

Box doesn't want to pay to replace his bald tires, he wants everybody to pay for his tires through insurance premiums.

Man, the collectivist mind is hard to reason with.  The collectivist is responsible for nothing.  Oh...except for collectivist policies enacted by a central planner.  Never take responsibility for yourself, blame the people "in power".  Scary...


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You don't need a mechanic...you're the QUEEN OF SPIN!!!!
Health Insurance is what they chose to call it....it pays certain amounts for HEALTH CARE....not going to play your game.
You're a side-stepping distortion pro, I admit defeat!!! Can't compete with your expertise....and don't ever want to.

CIAO!!!


Hey, as long as you know you are not buying insurance, but rather paying for somebody to manage your personal Healthcare, because you are incapable doing it yourself.  And because you are incapable, you and roxy think everybody else is incapable.  Not distortion, just reality.  


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We're not talking about insurance, it is managed healthcare.  You an Joey are talking about things like prostate exams or mammograms.  That isn't insurance.

Box doesn't want to pay to replace his bald tires, he wants everybody to pay for his tires through insurance premiums.

Man, the collectivist mind is hard to reason with.  The collectivist is responsible for nothing.  Oh...except for collectivist policies enacted by a central planner.  Never take responsibility for yourself, blame the people "in power".  Scary...


Mr. WIIFM has spoken...true to form!!!!
Try understanding the overall picture, basis, goals, application.....but then again,
it wouldn't the WIFFM mentality you have!!!

PS - You've already shown you are incapable....so you need the Government to help you do the right thing!!!


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This IS a dead end.
I can continue trying to explain it to you,
but I can't understand it for you!!!

Starting to think you are Cissyboy's alter ego!!!!

CIAO !!!



you should fear the big 10 companies that fill your retirement with dividends that are collected from selling sh!t
to you to eat....

Papa John has no interest in your health...but Papa John does care about where the insurance premiums come from


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


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We're not talking about insurance, it is managed healthcare.  You and Joey are talking about things like prostate exams or mammograms.  That isn't insurance.
.


Cissy is partly right.  ObamaCare is both insurance and managed healthcare.

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The Affordable Care Act contains over a thousand pages of
reforms to the insurance industry and the health care industry in order
to cut health care costs and to provide affordable health insurance
to all Americans.


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
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Cissy is partly right.  ObamaCare is both insurance and managed healthcare.



No, it's a subsidy given to corporate insurance companies.  Insuring people with pre-existing conditions is the exact opposite of insurance.  


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Patient non-adherence costs underestimated
Healthcare Packaging associate publisher Liz Tierney reports that RxAdherence 2013 stressed the importance of medication adherence on healthcare-related costs.
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At the Healthcare Packaging Compliance Council’s 2013 RxAdherence Conference in Florham Park, NJ, keynote speaker Joel White from the Council for Affordable Healthcare (CAHC) stressed the importance of adherence in healthcare cost reduction.

According to the CAHC, lack of medical adherence leads to 125,000 deaths per year, $290 billion in annual costs, and accounts for 69% of all medical-related hospital admittance. White said that nearly one in five prescriptions is never filled, leading many patients to require additional medical attention and hospital care and increasing national healthcare costs.

In a report issued by the Congressional Budget Office in November 2012, it was stated that a 1% increase in the number of prescriptions filled would cause Medicare spending on medical services to fall by .2%.

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On April 16, the CAHC will announce the launch of the Medication Adherence Policy Campaign, with the goal of building a diverse coalition of payers, employers, technology and pharmaceutical companies, as well as healthcare providers. The goal is to put together an educational campaign that will include meetings on Capitol Hill, policy briefings, and a media strategy—leading up to a national conference in September.

White was optimistic about the timing of this campaign launch, as he sees bipartisan support for adherence-increasing efforts.

Lost revenue from non-adherence

Thomas Forissier from Capgemini Consulting and Katrina Firlik of HealthPrize Technologies spoke on pharmaceutical revenue lost due to medication non-adherence. The market assumption on the impact of medication non-adherence has been $30 billion globally, but Forissier and Firlik felt that number was greatly underestimated. According to their estimates, the actual revenue lost by pharmaceutical companies each year in the U.S. is $320 billion; $956 billion globally.

Forissier and Firlik shared the following statistics:

• Compliance for respiratory illness is less than 50%
• Adherence only increases 4% to 6% when drugs are given away

• If all patients with high blood pressure were treated to guidelines, up to 89,000 deaths could be prevented each year

• Increased adherence to hypertension and cholesterol medicines would reduce health care spending by $4 to $5 for every new dollar spent on medicines

• A 10% adherence to asthma medications was associated with a nearly 5% decrease in total annual medical spending

• CVS Caremark Corp. found that patients who take medications as doctors direct may save as much as $7,800 each year

Forissier and Firlik said that the best ways to increase adherence are to reduce the costs of drugs, make reminders for the administration of medications more commonplace, educate patients on the importance of taking the medications (especially in the long term), and to offer rewards.

Packaging’s role in adherence

During the question-and-answer session, an attendee asked if packaging might be leveraged to increase adherence.

One of their suggestions was to add a “fun” element to the packaging of the medication, which makes patients want the next package (think collector’s editions).

Another suggestion was to incorporate the dimension of time to packaging. An example of this would be the inclusion of an image of what someone who doesn’t take their medication will look in 10 years, 20 years, etc. It’s important for patients to understand the stakes and the costs of not taking their medications.

Ray Bullman, with the National Council on Patient Information and Education (NCPIE), spoke about the development of an Adherence Action Agenda.

Adherence is especially challenging for vulnerable populations, which can be identified as people who live alone, don’t have access to transportation (to pick up or refill prescriptions), low-income people, people with behavioral or physical challenges, and those whose cultural or religious beliefs prevent them from taking their medication.
Bullman emphasized that this population needs care and attention to increase adherence—even more than the general population.

The NCPIE first released a national adherence action plan in 1995, and again in 2007 (a mirror image of the 1995 report) with the goal of providing recommendations to improve adherence. Here are its recommendations:

• Elevate patient adherence as a critical healthcare issue

• Agree on common adherence terminology that will unite stakeholders

• Create public/private partnerships to a mount a unified national education campaign to make adherence a national health priority

• Establish a multidisciplinary approach to adherence

• Implement professional training and increase funding for education on patient adherence

• Remove barriers to adherence for patients with low health literacy
• Create the means to share information on best practices in adherence education and management

• Develop curriculum on medication adherence for medical schools and allied health care institutions

• Seek regulatory changes to remove roadblocks for adherence assistance programs

• Increase the federal budget

According to AndersonBrecon’s Justin Schroeder and Xcenda’s Michael Eaddy, in the U.S., on-third of prescriptions are taken completely and according to instructions, on-third are never filled, and one-third are never refilled.

The most important factors in addressing non-adherence are:

• Patient education

• Cost mitigation

• Calendarization

• Facilitating a strong doctor-patient relationship, which drives prescription filling and refilling

• Education, including tips and support while on the medication

Clinical trials and adherence

Addressing adherence in clinical trials was Kathy Zonca, a patient adherence consultant with C3i, Inc. Throughout the day, discussion revolved around the implications of adherence by the general population.

But due to the nature of clinical trials and their impacts on whether or not a drug will be introduced to the market, compliance is particularly important. Zonca shared the following information with attendees:

• Overall compliance for chronic disease in developed countries is 50%

• Overall compliance for clinical trials in developed countries ranges between 43% and 78%

• In clinical trials, a 20% decrease in medical adherence may result in a greater than 50% increase in the sample size in order to maintain power (the probability that the study will have a significant result)

• In 2001 approximately 50% of clinical trial participants made it from screening to successful completion of the trial. In 2010, that percentage dropped to 25%

• Up to one-third of the clinical trials published in five top medical journals that reported results had significant missing and/or incomplete data

The impact of reduced adherence in clinical trials goes beyond the cost increases caused by defaulting samples. Reduced adherence can lead to an underestimation of the medication’s effectiveness, an overestimation of the medication’s safety, and an underestimation of the risks and adverse effects associated with that drug. All of these can prove devastating to a drug manufacturer, or to the drug’s brand.

- See more at: http://www.healthcarepackaging.....sthash.4zV3uGS2.dpuf


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

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