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CICERO
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Maybe box was right, the GOP was discriminatory with their war on women.  They should have been more fair and waged a WAR ON EVERYBODY.


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Maybe box was right, the GOP was discriminatory with their war on women.  They should have been more fair and waged a WAR ON EVERYBODY.


^5


When the INSANE are running the ASYLUM
In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche


“How fortunate for those in power that people never think.”
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The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

John Kenneth Galbraith

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Sorry Box, but that dog won't hunt... Even your buds in the press are starting to agree:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/.....atter-is-inevitable/



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Government Will Decide What We Can Know
Glenn Greenwald

May 21, 2013

President Obama has repeatedly hailed himself for presiding over "the most transparent administration ever." At the same time, he has waged a sustained and unprecedented war on whistleblowers, press freedoms and the basic mechanisms of the newsgathering process.

But it is the administration of Barack Obama that has prosecuted more accused leakers under "espionage" statutes than all prior administrations combined -- in fact, double the number of all prior such prosecutions.

    A climate of fear is keeping journalists from doing their job -- informing citizens about the secret actions of political leaders.

This is the vital context in which the Obama Justice Department's conduct regarding both The A.P. and Fox News' James Rosen must be understood. Time and again, this administration has proven that it has little other than contempt for time-honored protections to safeguard whistleblowing and transparency.

It tried to impose a lengthy prison term on Thomas Drake, a former National Security Agency official who exposed serious agency corruption and wrongdoing, only for its case to fall apart shortly before trial. A formal United Nations investigation found that its detention treatment of Bradley Manning, who exposed multiple acts of serious government deceit and wrongdoing, was so abusive that it amounted to "cruel and inhuman" treatment.

While President Obama aggressively protected Bush officials from any liability for the creation of a worldwide torture regime, his Justice Department prosecuted and imprisoned a former C.I.A. official, John Kiriakou, who publicly condemned torture. It has convened a grand jury to criminally investigate WikiLeaks for doing what media outlets do every day -- publishing classified information that it received a from a government source -- and to do so, embraced a theory of criminality pioneered by Richard Nixon when he sought to prosecute a New York Times reporter for publishing the Pentagon Papers.

In The A.P. case, the Obama Justice Department flagrantly violated long-standing procedures, and its own internal guidelines, by obtaining weeks of office and home telephone records of multiple A.P. journalists without notifying the media organization in advance, thus depriving them of the opportunity to obtain a court ruling on the propriety of the government's actions. And now, in the most disturbing episode yet, it has formally accused another journalist, Fox's Rosen, of being a "conspirator" in a serious felony for doing nothing more than what investigative journalists do every day: work with their government sources to receive classified information that they can then publish for their readers.

This now-lengthy pattern has two primary effects. First, it creates a serious climate of fear in which investigative journalists are finding it increasingly difficult to do their job -- informing citizens about the secret actions of political leaders -- because everyone involved in that process is petrified of government persecution. As The New Yorker's Jane Mayer put it in a New Republic article detailing the harm done to journalism: "It's a huge impediment to reporting, and so chilling isn't quite strong enough, it's more like freezing the whole process into a standstill."

Second, it establishes a standard where the only information the public can learn is what the U.S. government wants it to know, which is another way of saying that a classic propaganda model has been created.

The 2008 version of Candidate Obama was absolutely right when he decreed that government whistleblowers are engaged in "acts of courage and patriotism" that "should be encouraged rather than stifled." The presidential version of Obama is wrong -- dangerously so -- in his still escalating assault on the sources and journalists who make that possible.

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The scary thing to me about the IRS scandal, which isn't manufactured because it really happened, is that the press didn't cover it until after the election. They also seem all too willing to accept the excuse that the President didn't know or wasn't involved, because it's a big job being president and it's hard. That's what so many people thought when this lightweight got picked by the press to run. He just isn't equal to the task. A president is chief executive, and any chief executive who behaved like this one would be out on the street pretty quick.
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Judge rules TeaBagger group a PAC, not a nonprofit
March 28, 2012
Thus the IRS Scrutiny.

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A Travis County district court judge ruled this week that a Houston-based tea party group is
not a nonprofit corporation as it claims, but an unregistered political action committee that illegally aided
the Republican Party through its poll-watching efforts during the 2010 elections.

The summary judgment by Judge John Dietz upheld several Texas campaign finance laws that had been
challenged on constitutional grounds by King Street Patriots, a tea party organization known for its "True
the Vote" effort to uncover voter fraud.

The ruling grew out of a 2010 lawsuit filed by the Texas Democratic Party against the King Street Patriots.
The Democrats charged that the organization made unlawful political contributions to the Texas Republican
Party and various Republican candidates by training poll watchers in cooperation with the party and its
candidates and by holding candidate forums only for GOP candidates.


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In October of 2012 that True the Vote urged poll workers in key Ohio counties “to supplement their
official state training with TrueTheVote materials.” Of course, as they point out, “it is a crime in Ohio to
interfere with conducting an election. Moreover, after the 2004 presidential election the state signed a
federal consent decree that, among other things, established uniform poll worker training.
True the Vote, operating as the misnamed Voter Integrity Project in Ohio, was barred from Franklin County
after allegations of falsified signatures”


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Since 2009, the Tea Party Patriots, a large national umbrella group, has claimed no fewer than
3,500 affiliates. Many applied for nonprofit status with the IRS, a prime reason the agency was so
overwhelmed with applications. The people leading these groups were often neophytes politically and
organizationally—or, as Dan Backer, a lawyer for TheTeaParty.net, explained in an interview with Mother
Jones this week, “they didn’t understand the complexity of what’s involved.”
Ignorance is not an excuse in the eyes of the law. You are expected to operate within the law, no
matter how ignorant you claim to be, or your behavior suggests that you are.



The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

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Keep on believing that, Box..The IRS is going to listen to a Texas District COUNTY judge.??..lol
Even Dem congressmen on the House Committee are lambasting the IRS for what they did.


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Keep on believing that, Box..The IRS is going to listen to a Texas District COUNTY judge.??..lol
Even Dem congressmen on the House Committee are lambasting the IRS for what they did.


No the Texas District Judge ruled that the TeaBaggers were in violation of their Tax Exempt status.

THE VERY THING THAT THE IRS WAS LOOKING FOR IN BOTH LIBERAL AND CONSERVATIVE GROUPS.


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
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No the Texas District Judge ruled that the TeaBaggers were in violation of their Tax Exempt status.

THE VERY THING THAT THE IRS WAS LOOKING FOR IN BOTH LIBERAL AND CONSERVATIVE GROUPS.


Ah...No, they were looking for in CONSERVATIVE GROUPS.  Have you been following the story?  I don't recall any story about the IRS filtering by looking at groups that have words like "progressive", "move on", "occupy", "environment" in their names.  

This wasn't conspired by the right wing, this was admitted by the person that oversee's tax exemption status.


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No the Texas District Judge ruled that the TeaBaggers were in violation of their Tax Exempt status.

THE VERY THING THAT THE IRS WAS LOOKING FOR IN BOTH LIBERAL AND CONSERVATIVE GROUPS.


Keep reaching at straws....
Again, if that were true and legit, EVERY single Dem member of the house committee would yelling that from the rooftops....they're not...instead, they're talking special prosecutor...as is the press..

You are right that public in general doesn't seem to care...But we are talking about an entirely different electorate IQ than existed during watergate, or even Iran/Contra...it's dumbed down on both sides...on the right with the social conservatives, and on the left with the gubment check crowd.


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Ah...No, they were looking for in CONSERVATIVE GROUPS.  Have you been following the story?  I don't recall any story about the IRS filtering by looking at groups that have words like "progressive", "move on", "occupy", "environment" in their names.  

This wasn't conspired by the right wing, this was admitted by the person that oversee's tax exemption status.


IRS Didn't Just Hunt the Tea Party: Liberal Churches Also Targets

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Republicans are still furious over IRS scrutiny of non-profit groups with "Tea Party" and
"patriots" in their names, but the life of the scandal depends entirely upon the political affiliation
of the hundreds of other groups investigated by tax officials.

Only 25% of the 300 scrutinized groups seeking non-profit status were reportedly affiliated with
right-wing causes.


IMO... If a group TELLS YOU THAT THEY ARE NOT GOING TO PAY THEIR TAXES, THEY ARE A TARGET!

http://gawker.com/irs-didnt-just-hunt-the-tea-party-liberal-churches-al-504685119


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Geez box, I wonder why Obama called the IRS actions reprehensible and the person overseeing the department pleads the 5th?  They should hire box as an advisor.


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Geez box, I wonder why Obama called the IRS actions reprehensible and the person overseeing the department pleads the 5th?  They should hire box as an advisor.


There was a Janitor who stole some gum from a Govt candy machine...
OBAMA SHOULD RESIGN!  WHEN DID OBAMA LEARN OF THE GUM CAPER, AND WHY DID HE COVER UP?
OBAMA SHOULD BE IMPEACHED OVER THE JANITOR GUM-GATE!

America sees this as a GOP hoax, and the more the Right Wingers scream and holler, the more
the country is convinced it's all Political Drama.

The REAL issues, if there are any, are lost in all The TeaBagger Temper Tantrums.


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
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John Kenneth Galbraith

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There was a Janitor who stole some gum from a Govt candy machine...
OBAMA SHOULD RESIGN!  WHEN DID OBAMA LEARN OF THE GUM CAPER, AND WHY DID HE COVER UP?
OBAMA SHOULD BE IMPEACHED OVER THE JANITOR GUM-GATE!

America sees this as a GOP hoax, and the more the Right Wingers scream and holler, the more
the country is convinced it's all Political Drama.

The REAL issues, if there are any, are lost in all The TeaBagger Temper Tantrums.


Box, does the President have any managerial control over the departments that fall under the executive branch?  It amazes me how every abuse of power that happens within departments which he appoints the leadership in no way reflect his leadership and judgement.  Only in government is this possible.  

What's the point of electing a president if he isn't held responsible for managing his branch of government?

If this isn't a scandal then it's pure incompetence.  He should be removed for dereliction of duty.

At least Nixon was a highly competent crook.


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