"A straw man is a type of argument and is an informal fallacy based on misrepresentation of an opponent's position."
To "attack a straw man" is to create the illusion of having refuted a proposition by replacing it with a superficially similar yet unequivalent proposition (the "straw man"), and to refute it, without ever having actually refuted the original position.
If we eliminated "straw man" arguments from this board, the number of Cicero's posts would be cut in half!
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
It's so easy to read between the lines in Cissy's posts... He can't stand it that Obama is succeeding in spite of the GOP party of NO and his anti govt propaganda.
(Remember when Cis was so "outraged" by our govt's success in apprehending the Boston Terrorists? )
A black man is successfully steering this country from the Dark Bush Economic Meltdown, into the light of recovery and possibly even prosperity once again. (Can you picture Cicero when he has to complain about President Hillary! )
Very good box! I'll show you an example of multiple straw men.
I'm glad that you understand the concept... now you have no excuse.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
When TeaBaggers get caught breaking tax laws, they blame the system... They are the VICTIMS!
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It is not unusual for convicted criminals to characterize themselves as victims, and as a rule they blame law enforcement, judges, and district attorneys for doing their jobs and cry they were unfairly persecuted despite mountains of evidence they committed a crime. It is part of a mindset inherent in criminals who often believe the crime they committed was justified, or to portray law enforcement and the judicial system as unfairly tyrannizing them regardless they were caught red-handed or confessed to violating the law. Under normal circumstances, only corrections officers are privy to whiny criminals’ persistent complaints they were maltreated by “the system,” and as a rule the louder they complain, the guiltier they are. Over the past ten days, all Americans have witnessed firsthand Republicans and teabags complaining they were singled out for persecution by the government, and they have taken a page right out of convicted felons’ book and accused an enforcement agency, the Internal Revenue Service, of abusive treatment despite they were doing their jobs to prevent violations of tax and campaign law, and the cries of scandal, cover-up, and persecution inform there is a conspiracy underlying the alleged scandal.
The faux outrage over the I.R.S. doing its due diligence in scrutinizing political activists’ applications for tax exempt status as social welfare organizations is shining a spotlight on conservative’s dirty practice of concealing dark money being spent on campaigns. Instead of keeping quiet and letting the controversy die down, conservatives are giving the rest of the country an opportunity to look closely into Republican attempts to circumvent tax and campaign laws. As it turns out, the groups claiming they promoted social welfare may have conspired to conceal illegal campaign donations as well as protect their donors if they illegally deducted contributions to a tax exempt “social welfare charity” they would be disallowed from claiming if they gave to Political Action Committees or directly to any particular campaign.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
The home page of the site has the sub-banner, "real liberal politics"
"Arguing with liberals is like playing chess with a pigeon; no matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock out the pieces, crap on the board, and strut around like it is victorious." - Author Unknown
The home page of the site has the sub-banner, "real liberal politics"
YUP! I find the truth in many places... Fixed News, The John Birch Society, Media Matters, NPR... Do the words scare you Tbird??? The facts of the story are still valid... many of the TeaBagger tax exemptions were found to be illegal.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
YUP! I find the truth in many places... Fixed News, The John Birch Society, Media Matters, NPR... Do the words scare you Tbird??? The facts of the story are still valid... many of the TeaBagger tax exemptions were found to be illegal.
Bullshit Box... I could post examples ALL DAY of items you post where you put the link up IF the link comes from mainstream news media....and of course everything from Fox News when it fits your agenda. It's only the liberal sites that you like to mask, or if its an opinion piece you want to pass off as news.
"Arguing with liberals is like playing chess with a pigeon; no matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock out the pieces, crap on the board, and strut around like it is victorious." - Author Unknown
WHY THE IRS WENT AFTER THE TEA PARTY INSTEAD OF ESTABLISHMENT REPUBLICANS
Since 2006, with the beginnings of the breakaway of populist conservatives from the national Republican Party via the Tea Party movement, the GOP has been trying to figure out how to co-opt and capture it once again, just as George W. Bush did with many elements of the conservative movement in the early years of the 21st century.
But with the unofficial (and official) rise of the Tea Party movement, this development has struck fear in the Washington establishment because it represents an intellectual challenge to the anti-intellectual status quo of the Democrats and the Big Government Republicans.
Dorothy Parker observed her own destructiveness and the “curling smoke” of the “burning bridges” of her escapades. The IRS and the Washington Establishment may have irreparably burned down the bridge of legitimacy granted it by the American people, and the national Republicans smell an opportunity in the curling smoke.
Men and women of the Establishment Republican Party like Senator Susan Collins of Maine, who previously regarded the Tea Party Movement as something unpleasant and unsophisticated, are now trying to be their friends. That sound you just heard was thousands of Tea Party individuals choking with laughter at the thought of Susan Collins defending them. Same goes for Mitch McConnell and other majoritarian Republicans. Already well known is the GOP establishment had and has nothing but contempt for the Tea Party. As my grandfather used to say, “Cover your wallet,” as the GOP desperately tried to inject itself into the debate.
The appropriation of conservative populist issues by the Republican Establishment for its own gain is not without precedent. In 1977, after campaigning against the Panama Canal Treaties for more than a year, the RNC asked Ronald Reagan to sign a direct mail piece for the committee. Reagan agreed, and over a million dollars cascaded into the RNC. But when Reagan asked RNC chairman Bill Brock to release some of the funds for a “Truth Squad,” Brock refused, in part because his friends former president Gerald Ford and Senator Howard Baker supported the treaties. Reagan was furious and vowed never to raise money again for the RNC, and he didn’t until after he became president in 1981.
The unspoken 600-pound gorilla in the room is that the IRS did not go after Republican Party groups. There has been some noise made in that direction, but it is just that--noise. The real IRS vendetta was aimed at the Tea Party movement and not at the myriad GOP inside-the-beltway groups like American Crossroads or Americans for Job Security or any of the other interlocking GOP seen as front groups for corporate America.
As I stated elsewhere recently, The Republican Establishment is pea green with envy but also embarrassment "that the IRS did not think them worthy of harassing, or even worse, on the same side as the IRS. In other words, the IRS saw the GOP as too feckless to worry about. Either explanation is not very appealing for the national Republicans.”
Of course, the only thing going through the minds of the pecuniary consultants who run the Republican Party is they are missing out on a fundraising bonanza which is necessary to feed their army of mediocre consultants.
Let’s face it, the Tea Party movement is comprised of breakaway elements of populist conservatives disgusted with the Big Government Bush Republicans beginning in 2006. They remain separate and apart even today, seven years later, because they perceive the national GOP has not changed, still a part of the corruption of Washington.
The crimes committed by the IRS have yet to be completely catalogued, but unless millions are paid out in damages and people go to jail, then justice will not be served. What they did was not rinky dink. There was a twenty-seven month criminal conspiracy inside the IRS to deny the Tea Party their basic civil rights to political speech and action and association while rubber stamping any liberal group’s application.
Conspiracy is not too tough a word to use or to say in polite company that the Tea Parties were denied their civil rights to political participation by their own government and outside agitators.
Many questions are begged. Did outside liberal groups conspire with the IRS against the Tea Party? Did Republican Establishment types conspire with the IRS to censor the Tea Party? If so, how high up did the conspiracy go inside the two major parties, both of which had something to gain with the marginalization and/or destruction of the Tea Party movement?
As far as the Tea Party and it sympathizers are concerned, nearly everybody in Washington is a suspect. The Tea Party has found the enemy, and it is the Washington Establishment.
Isn’t it ironic that the Tea Party now stands for the rule of law and that elements of the United States government and the Washington establishment have become the rogue, criminal element in America?
Bullshit Box... I could post examples ALL DAY of items you post where you put the link up IF the link comes from mainstream news media....and of course everything from Fox News when it fits your agenda. It's only the liberal sites that you like to mask, or if its an opinion piece you want to pass off as news.
So Tbird... does your outrage at posting from Liberal sites also cover those Right Wing Nuts who post from the Rabid Right??? Or is your outrage limited to those posts which agree with your agenda.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
So Tbird... does your outrage at posting from Liberal sites also cover those Right Wing Nuts who post from the Rabid Right??? Or is your outrage limited to those posts which agree with your agenda.
Box, it was an opinion article. It wasn't news or presented as news. I posted a "right wing" opinion article that MOCKED THE GOP. LOL.
Calm down box, relax. Zip your pants back up.
As you can see Cicero, if you get someone to read the post to you, that my post was directed at Tbird in reply to his post, not at you.
(I'll zip up... you pull your pants back up.)
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
So Tbird... does your outrage at posting from Liberal sites also cover those Right Wing Nuts who post from the Rabid Right??? Or is your outrage limited to those posts which agree with your agenda.
Your response above is pretty much why I call you out instead of CIC and others. Referring to the opposing side as "nuts" and "rabid" exposes you as a hack and a troll.
What also separates you from the others is your habit of including fake headlines in your posts to further advance your fallacy of the post being an actual news story instead of an opinion piece.
"Arguing with liberals is like playing chess with a pigeon; no matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock out the pieces, crap on the board, and strut around like it is victorious." - Author Unknown
Your response above is pretty much why I call you out instead of CIC and others. Referring to the opposing side as "nuts" and "rabid" exposes you as a hack and a troll.
What also separates you from the others is your habit of including fake headlines in your posts to further advance your fallacy of the post being an actual news story instead of an opinion piece.
The post is mine as is the headlines. Such as: Tbird is a scumbag
When I post the actual headlines from the source it would be included inside the "quote box".
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NBC Reports That Tbird is a Scumbag Story follows
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
The post is mine as is the headlines. Such as: Tbird is a scumbag
When I post the actual headlines from the source it would be included inside the "quote box".
Boxy, I'm not going to revisit history, because frankly, it isn't worth my time. But I have caught you in the fake headline garbage more than once... I know it, the rest of the board knows it, and deep down, so do YOU.
"Arguing with liberals is like playing chess with a pigeon; no matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock out the pieces, crap on the board, and strut around like it is victorious." - Author Unknown
Boxy, I'm not going to revisit history, because frankly, it isn't worth my time. But I have caught you in the fake headline garbage more than once... I know it, the rest of the board knows it, and deep down, so do YOU.
LOL @ Caught You!!!
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
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