Quoted from joebxr

The only denial is yours.

I pointed out about civilian atrocities and how your

personal vendetta denegrates the seriousness of those

actions as irrelevant.

You pick and choose and justify it in a morbid manner.

War and military participation is morbid.

Try speaking out against it.

Instead of attacking and accusing those who do.

Officials Uphold Commitment to Suicide Prevention Solutions

By Amaani Lyle
American Forces Press Service

WASHINGTON, March 21, 2013 – A panel of Defense Department and service officials told Congress today their efforts to address military suicides will persist.

Jacqueline Garrick, acting director of the Defense Suicide Prevention Office, told the House Armed Services Committee’s military personnel subcommittee the service member suicide rate had increased from 10.3 to 18.3 per 100,000.

For 2010, Garrick said, the U.S. suicide rate for males, ages 17 to 60 – an age demographic that best matches the armed forces -- was 25.1 per 100,000, which rose from 21.8 per 100,000 in 2001.

“DOD fervently believes that every one life lost to suicide is one too many, and prevention is everybody’s responsibility,” she said. “This fight will take enormous collective action and the implementation of proven and effective initiatives.”

Garrick and service representatives outlined how their programs incorporate the latest research and information on suicide prevention and how leaders are tackling the problem.

“While physical injuries may be easier to see, there are many invisible wounds such as depression, anxiety [and] post-traumatic stress that also take a significant toll on our service members,” said Lt. Gen. Howard B. Bromberg, the Army’s deputy chief of staff for personnel. “ … Suicidal behavior is an urgent national problem that affects all Americans across all dimensions of society, including those who have chosen to serve the nation.”

DOD officials saw leveling in suicide rates for 2010 and 2011, Garrick told the House panel, but they expect an increase in the suicide rate for 2012 upon the completion of investigations and final determinations of manner of death.

Defense Department officials have closely tracked every suicide and attempt since 2008, she said, and trends indicate the majority were enlisted Caucasian males below age 29 who had a high school education.

In some cases, she added, relationship, legal or financial issues were present, and in many cases, service members used firearms and died at home.

They did not communicate their intent, nor did they have known behavioral health histories, she said.

“Less than half had deployed, and few were involved in combat,” Garrick said, explaining that nonfatal suicide attempters were similar demographically to those who died; however, they primarily used drugs and had at least one documented behavioral health disorder.

Garrick noted that a DOD task force report made 76 recommendations, the first establishing the Defense Suicide Prevention Office to oversee all strategic development implementation, standardization and evaluation of DOD suicide and resilience activities.

“A general officer steering committee established priority groups on data, stigma, lethal means, investigations, research and evaluations, and the department has made significant strides,” she said.

The Defense and Veterans Affairs departments and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention also created a suicide repository dating back to 1979, Garrick said, so DOD officials now can affirm military service for the CDC, enhancing its ability to track active duty, Guard and reserve service member deaths overseas.

“This will enhance our research, longitudinal studies and population health surveillance,” she said. “The program evaluation approach tracks requirements [and] funding, and will unite efficiency measures with effectiveness.”

Efforts also include training evaluation to develop core competencies for peer, command, clinical and pastoral requirements, she said.

Eliminating the stigma that some service members or families associate with seeking help remains a critical aspect of preventing suicide, Garrick said. DOD and VA are implementing a presidential executive order in part through a 12-month, help-seeking “Stand By Them” campaign to encourage service members, veterans and their families to reach the military crisis line by phone or online, she added.

The resource is now available in the United States and Europe and at larger bases in Afghanistan, she said, and will expand to Japan and South Korea. Where it’s not available, medics have been trained to initiate a peer support call line, she said.

“Since service members often believe that seeking care is career-ending, training is key,” Garrick said. “In reality, denials and revocations involving mental health are less than 1 percent. Therefore, service members must understand that seeking help is a sign of strength and … does not jeopardize their clearances.”

Officials also conduct debriefings with the Tragedy Assistance Program for Survivors on factors leading up to a service member’s death as reported by the families. “This dialogue builds a frame of reference that the DOD [Suicide Event Report] alone does not provide,” Garrick said.

DOD also is clarifying the National Defense Authorization Act for fiscal year 2013, which authorizes mental health professionals and commanders to inquire about privately owned firearms, ammunition and other weapons, she said.

Mental health professionals, Garrick reported, have developed a family safety curriculum with the Yellow Ribbon reintegration program and the Uniformed Services University of the Health Sciences, which have distributed more than 75,000 gun locks.

In addition, improved access to quality of care with behavioral health providers embedded at the unit level will be among the Defense Department’s top priorities, she said.

And because some suicide and attempts are associated with prescriptions, Garrick said, DOD began a drug take-back study, allowing beneficiaries to return unused medications in compliance with Drug Enforcement Agency rules. The department also has developed a research plan and created teams to translate findings from studies into policies and practices, she added, partnering with nonprofit organizations, universities and others to assess practices and share lessons learned in family and peer support.

Garrick also noted the expansion of “Partners in Care,” a chaplain program in which faith-based organizations provide support to Guard and reserve service members.

In addition to exploring therapeutic sentencing techniques for military justice proceedings in veterans’ treatment courts, DOD officials have teamed with Action Alliance and VA on suicide prevention strategy to ensure crisis material is incorporated into pre-separation counseling and transition briefings.

“DOD remains optimistic that it will find better solutions that will save more lives,” Garrick said.

Quoted from CICERO

20 dead school children and suicides were the premise for most if not all of Box a Rox's gun control arguments.  Why not add crimes of passion to the list of fallacious arguments.

I could classify a crime of passion and one of mass murder as two very different things.  
However when it comes to background checks for mental illness, or a past history of
violent crimes, I agree... all gun owners should undergo background checks, with no
exceptions.

Quoted from Box A Rox

I could classify a crime of passion and one of mass murder as two very different things.  

Mass killings with AR 15 style rifles is a fraction of all gun deaths.  I don't have the statistics, but I'm willing to bet that death related to crimes of passion rank higher than death by mass killings.  And banning AR style rifles was the loudest cry from the gun grabbers.  

I still think it's funny how former Marines get their panties in a wad when I post military examples of gun crimes.  Military gun crimes don't fit their narrative as a reason for gun control.

Wait until I post the 19 year old female navy sailor that was found dead by a gun shot wound.  They will go APE SH!T!

Quoted from Libertarian4life

War and military participation is morbid.

Try speaking out against it.

Instead of attacking and accusing those who do.

So you choose to ignore stating your postion on the
civilian atrocities becuase military ones are more suited
to your narrow minded thought process...(I just gave you credit
for being able to actually think).
If I had posted what you just did, you would accuse me of
diverting the subject.
While we are at it, let's see the proof you have of your claimn
that I have not spoken out against war? Let's see proof. Another
false claim you want people to believe, when it is not only false
but was never stated by me.
Keep making things up all you want, becuase that's all you have!!!!

Quoted from joebxr

The only denial is yours.

I pointed out about civilian atrocities and how your

personal vendetta denegrates the seriousness of those

actions as irrelevant.

You pick and choose and justify it in a morbid manner.

Civilian atrocities are reactions to bad management of the country.

Just as military atrocities are.

Use of force and death is taught by the management of the country.

Until they lead by example, use of force and death will remain the favored methods of
problem solving.

You idiots glorify war, death and killing as patriotic heroism.

It is merely self justification for atrocities against people that would likely never have
even met an American. This leads them to active duty suicide.

Then they return home and the guilt of reality leads them to murder and/or suicide.

Killing should never be glorified.

Killing should be a last resort in self dense only.

Initiation of the use of deadly force on another human will always leave guilt.

Even in self defense. The department of defense agrees with me.

The VA fights to not report dangerous veterans.

Killing has equal and opposite reactions, always.

You can't live outside the laws of physics.

The reactions manifest themselves as suicide, murder, or even blaming the
government that sent them to kill, as the letter from the dying Iraqi did.

Quoted from joebxr

So you choose to ignore stating your postion on the
civilian atrocities becuase military ones are more suited
to your narrow minded thought process...(I just gave you credit
for being able to actually think).

I post the stories that are pertitinent to the topic. You idiot gun grabbers want to take
from the law abiding, but not from military veterans who are much more likely to use
the weapons than civilians. I am providing data backing my argument.

You are posting rhetoric and accusations of mental illness for speaking out against
atrocities by trained government killers.

Quoted from joebxr

While we are at it, let's see the proof you have of your claimn
that I have not spoken out against war? Let's see proof. Another
false claim you want people to believe, when it is not only false
but was never stated by me.
Keep making things up all you want, becuase that's all you have!!!!

False accusation again.

I suggested that you should speak out against the use of force and death.

Instead of speaking out against those who do.

I am anti-death.

You challenge every time I try to expose death and atrocities committed by by current and
former government paid killers.

You call me morbid. The acts committed are morbid, not the typing about them.

The acts committed are murder, torture and invasion of countries without declaring war.

The acts are murders committed without due process.

The only act that concerns you is my typing about these acts.

I wonder how safe our nukes are with the increase of nutjobs being made by the military.

Quoted from Henry

I wonder how safe our nukes are with the increase of nutjobs being made by the military.

They would merely report it as a military training exercise accident.

Quoted from Libertarian4life

They would merely report it as a military training exercise accident.

Probably or use it as a false flag to bomb another country like Iran or NK

Quoted from Henry

Probably or use it as a false flag to bomb another country like Iran or NK

Absolutely believable.

Anyone who suggests anything other than the government version would be labeled a
terrorist supporter or a conspiracy theorist.

Quoted Text

Quantico Shooting: Marines Identify Gunman, Two Victims
03/23/13 10:54 PM ET EDT     


QUANTICO, Va. -- A Marine who shot two of his colleagues to death and then killed himself was a tactics instructor at a school that tests Marines who want to become officers, military officials said Saturday.

Sgt. Eusebio Lopez, 25, gunned down 19-year-old Lance Cpl. Sara Castromata and Cpl. Jacob Wooley, 23, on Thursday night inside barracks at the Marine Corps Base Quantico in northern Virginia. Other than to say the three Marines worked together at the school, military officials have not described their relationship or released a motive for the shooting.

Lopez, of Pacifica, Calif., was a teacher whose specialty was machine gunner. He joined the corps in May 2006 and deployed in support of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Castromata, of Oakley, Calif., was a warehouse clerk who had been in the Marines since December 2011. Wooley, of Guntown, Miss., was a field radio operator. He joined the Marines in February 2010.

Lopez was an instructor at officer candidates school, known for its grueling 10-week program that evaluates Marines on physical stamina, intelligence and leadership. The candidates must complete obstacle courses, hikes of up to 12 miles in full combat gear and take classes on navigation and tactics that help them in the field, according to the school's website.........................>>>>......................>>>>.......................http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/23/quantico-shooting-gunman_n_2941984.html

the government never lies (under a democrap prez) right???

Quoted from Libertarian4life

I post the stories that are pertitinent to the topic. You idiot gun grabbers want to take
from the law abiding, but not from military veterans who are much more likely to use
the weapons than civilians. I am providing data backing my argument.

You are posting rhetoric and accusations of mental illness for speaking out against
atrocities by trained government killers.




False accusation again.

I suggested that you should speak out against the use of force and death.

Instead of speaking out against those who do.

I am anti-death.

You challenge every time I try to expose death and atrocities committed by by current and
former government paid killers.

You call me morbid. The acts committed are morbid, not the typing about them.

The acts committed are murder, torture and invasion of countries without declaring war.

The acts are murders committed without due process.

The only act that concerns you is my typing about these acts.

You choose to read only those items in my posts that allow you to denegrate me
instead of reading all.  I can handle your childish chiding, unlike you.
I've voiced my opinions and related details here that
I have even provided outside of this forum and elsewhere on the topic of
killing, murder, etc. Unlike you, I have offered my views and let them speak for themselves, I am
not interested in forcing my views on anyone else...and not accepting of others that feel they
can!  Maybe you could offer just what you have actively done to protest these actions
beyond posting on this forum....what is it that you've done to bring them forward into the
spotlight that would result in a broader market reach?

Quoted from joebxr

You choose to read only those items in my posts that allow you to denegrate me
instead of reading all.  I can handle your childish chiding, unlike you.
I've voiced my opinions and related details here that
I have even provided outside of this forum and elsewhere on the topic of
killing, murder, etc. Unlike you, I have offered my views and let them speak for themselves, I am
not interested in forcing my views on anyone else...and not accepting of others that feel they
can!  Maybe you could offer just what you have actively done to protest these actions
beyond posting on this forum....what is it that you've done to bring them forward into the
spotlight that would result in a broader market reach?

OK, you got me.

I am guilty of trying to force people to not support death and destruction with my outrageous
words of deadly force.