Killing anyone without just cause, cop or not, is wrong. I have 4 kids, 3 boys and 1 girl. I'm not making excuses for terrorists, just stating that the actions of some in power can cause some unstable individuals to join anti-government groups and Waco and Ruby Ridge prove my point.
On this we somewhat agree... actions of some in power can cause some unstable individuals to join anti-government groups
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
Sovereign Citizens and Law Enforcement Since the Oklahoma City Bombing in 1995, 32 Law Enforcement Officers Have Been MURDERED By Domestic Radical-Right Wing Extremists.
I watched about the first 2 minutes of it so far. What I find interesting is that police don't look at a "routine traffic stop" as an initiation of force. A routine traffic stop is really called being detained - against your will. I can show a countless number of videos of NYC's "stop and frisk" program, where armed thugs randomly detain people against their will and illegally search them. Do the police think this will continue to go on without blowback? This increased militarism of the police is what has created these so-called "sovereign citizens".
Here box, check this statistic out. Over 1000 homicides were committed by police during arrest just between 2003 and 2005. Looks like sovereign citizens are losing the battle.
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Forty-seven states and the District of Columbia reported 2,002 arrest-related deaths during the three years from 2003 through 2005, the Justice Department's Bureau of Justice Statistics (BJS) announced today. Homicides by state and local law enforcement officers were the leading cause of such deaths during this period (55 percent), followed by alcohol and drug intoxication incidents (13 percent) and suicides (12 percent).
These data are the first national measure of all types of arrest-related deaths under a new program mandated by the federal Death in Custody Reporting Act (Public Law 106-297). The statute directed all states to report deaths during arrests as a condition of eligibility for receiving federal correctional grants. Three states, Georgia, Maryland and Montana, failed to submit data. Federal agencies are not required to report such deaths.
Violent crime arrests were involved in three-quarters of homicides by law enforcement officers. In 80 percent of homicides by officers, the arrest subject reportedly used a weapon to threaten or assault the arresting officer or officers. Virtually all homicides by officers (96 percent) resulted from firearm use.
Most persons who died while being arrested were men (96 percent) between the ages of 18 and 44 (77 percent). Approximately 44 percent were white; 32 percent, African American; 20 percent Hispanic and 4 percent of other or multiple races.
Among persons killed in law enforcement homicides, 18 percent appeared intoxicated during the attempted arrest and 36 percent attempted to escape or flee from custody. Half of arrest-related suicides (51 percent) involved attempted arrests for violent crimes. Of the suicides that took place in the field, prior to booking, 85 percent of the subjects used a firearm to kill themselves. Of the suicides at a police station or booking facility, nearly all (96 percent) of the decedents hung themselves. Suicide was the only type of death in which the majorities (57 percent) were white.
Alcohol and drug intoxication deaths involved a lower percentage of violent offenders (28 percent) than any other cause of death. Substance abuse-related crimes, such as drug law violations, disorderly conduct and drunkenness as well as driving while intoxicated, were involved in one-third of all intoxication deaths. Three-quarters of intoxication deaths occurred in the field, prior to booking. The majority (over 80 percent) took place either at a medical facility or en route to a medical facility.
From 2003 through 2005 FBI data show 380 law enforcement officers killed in the line of duty. The majority of these deaths were accidental (221), whereas 159 were homicides. The FBI also reported 174,760 assaults on law enforcement officers during those three years.
Killing anyone without just cause, cop or not, is wrong. I have 4 kids, 3 boys and 1 girl. I'm not making excuses for terrorists, just stating that the actions of some in power can cause some unstable individuals to join anti-government groups and Waco and Ruby Ridge prove my point.
A solid family upbringing should trump any "power" action. If you look at the family history of the Ruby Ridge and Waco followers, I bet you wil find less than a good family life and they were susceptable to be easily swayed and brainwashed. Isn't that also the major tool of terrorists...brainwashing, impressionable people and children
JUST BECAUSE SISSY SAYS SO DOESN'T MAKE IT SO...BUT HE THINKS IT DOES!!!!! JUST BECAUSE MC1 SAYS SO DOESN'T MAKE IT SO!!!!!
A solid family upbringing should trump any "power" action. If you look at the family history of the Ruby Ridge and Waco followers, I bet you wil find less than a good family life and they were susceptable to be easily swayed and brainwashed. Isn't that also the major tool of terrorists...brainwashing, impressionable people and children
Most terrorist feel totally justified in killing.
Most government sanctioned terrorists do too.
US government sponsored terrorists likely feel they had the absolute best upbringing.
The truth is, anyone who supports killing has bad upbringing.
Isn't that also the major tool of terrorists...brainwashing, impressionable people and children
I agree! You don't have to go any further than public schools and the Explorer program. Convincing children that it is heroic to take a job that requires you to strap a gun to your hip and detain strangers against their will and force them to comply with their demands. Convincing children to become sociopaths and committ acts of violence if necessary-including killing.
OMG! This is so funny! Check out this Crazy... he sounds like our board crazies and HE HAS RON PAUL POSTERS ALL OVER HIS TRUCK! (Of course he does! )
All of these Sovereigns all seem to have the same attitude, as do our resident Anti Govt Crazies... They all feel picked on... they all feel like victims of the govt... they are all seeking attention!
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
reported 2,002 arrest-related deaths during the three years from 2003 through 2005, Homicides by state and local law enforcement officers were the leading cause of such deaths during this period (55 percent)
If that trend continued from 2003 until present, you're look at over 3000 homicides committed by cops. How many did so called sovereign citizens committ since 1995? Woooahhhh!!! 32!!! Cops kill that many on average in ONE MONTH!
I have no idea of what kind of "HOMICIDE" Cicero's report points to... I'm sure some are criminal, others not.
The killing of one human being by another human being.
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Although the term homicide is sometimes used synonymously with murder, homicide is broader in scope than murder. Murder is a form of criminal homicide; other forms of homicide might not constitute criminal acts. These homicides are regarded as justified or excusable. For example, individuals may, in a necessary act of Self-Defense, kill a person who threatens them with death or serious injury. Typically, the circumstances surrounding a killing determine whether it is criminal. The intent of the killer usually determines whether a criminal homicide is classified as murder or Manslaughter and at what degree.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
I have no idea of what kind of "HOMICIDE" Cicero's report points to... I'm sure some are criminal, others not.
The killing of one human being by another human being.
Does it matter? A person is DEAD. And for all you gun grabbers, look at this statistic.
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Virtually all homicides by officers (96 percent) resulted from firearm use.
OMG!! The dreaded GUN was used in virtually ALL the homicides. Geez box, the report reads as if these guns are being used by cops DEFENSIVELY during an arrest.(Well, the arrest is the initiation of force-but for argument sake)
I have no idea of what kind of "HOMICIDE" Cicero's report points to... I'm sure some are criminal, others not.
The killing of one human being by another human being.
Oh really???? What if the person under arrest committed homicide protecting themselves from the violent cop? Ohhhhh...Now it's murder. I get it! The costume protects the cops act of homicide from legal prosecution.
I didn't even hit play yet but let me guess does this video have the teenager gunning down 2 cops..........................oh look it does how did I know that, oh yeah box only posted this video 10 other times What box doesn't want to admit is that law enforcement is actually one of the safer jobs out there, they don't even rank in the top 10, fact is I am more likely to die doing the work I do then a law enforcement officer being killed on duty. Want to know the difference, I don't cry or want sympathy for the job I do unlike cops who cry about how hard their work is. If I died doing my job I won't have a parade in my honor or be labeled a fallen hero. When box starts crying over the fallen in my line of work then maybe I will give a crap about a fallen cop, if they think their job is to dangerous they have the right to try a different job.
"In the beginning of a change, the Patriot is a scarce man, brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a Patriot."
Does it matter? A person is DEAD. And for all you gun grabbers, look at this statistic. )
Yea it matters. If a cop 'murdered' someone, he should be prosecuted. If the cop had no other option and killed an assailant in self defense, or in the defense of others, then the cop did the right thing.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
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What box doesn't want to admit is that law enforcement is actually one of the safer jobs out there, they don't even rank in the top 10, fact is I am more likely to die doing the work I do then a law enforcement officer being killed on duty. Want to know the difference, I don't cry or want sympathy for the job I do unlike cops who cry about how hard their work is. If I died doing my job I won't have a parade in my honor or be labeled a fallen hero. When box starts crying over the fallen in my line of work then maybe I will give a crap about a fallen cop, if they think their job is to dangerous they have the right to try a different job.
