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joebxr
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Read what I wrote...
EXCLUDE from Combat...General discharge....DENY enlistment
Stated conditions...NO GUN
DEPRESSION...yes, it is a mental state that is not well defined and could be precursor to so much more...so sorry, no gun!

CAVEAT: If reasonable and sufficient evlaution guidelines could be developed to understand and treat "VERY" minor cases,
and a defined evaluation process is developed that can ensure issues are not premanent or disease driven, and
a period of evaluatin/re-evaluation , then those "few" cases could be reconsidered later.  But it would have to be a
reasonable secure process.

EXAMPLE:  To me depression over the loss of a loved one is normal and not necessarily a mental disorder or precurosr.
These are instances that need to be addressed through re-evaluations over periof of time as I've said.

By the way, I lived in GA for 10yrs.  Having a gun is a way of life and an expectation.


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I don't fget that from the article at all...seems like it's very out in the open and nothing being hidden or swept under the rug.


I'm not saying it is "swept under the rug".  I'm saying that treatment is done discretely because soldiers do not want to jeopardize their career.  That is how they are trying to convince soldiers to seek treatment.  Many soldiers dealing with the anxieties of war which may lead to further mental illness, will not seek treatment for fears of losing out on a promotion.  


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a 25 year old relative of ours...male....has gone years (well documented) for being treated with xanax/prozac for depression/anxiety/anger issues....to heroin addiction...back to xanax.....he decided to join either the army or marines....in which both of them said he could join.....EVEN....with his recent/long term documented 'mental illness' records. Not saying it's right or not.....just sayin'.


When the INSANE are running the ASYLUM
In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche


“How fortunate for those in power that people never think.”
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Quoted from bumblethru
a 25 year old relative of ours...male....has gone years (well documented) for being treated with xanax/prozac for depression/anxiety/anger issues....to heroin addiction...back to xanax.....he decided to join either the army or marines....in which both of them said he could join.....EVEN....with his recent/long term documented 'mental illness' records. Not saying it's right or not.....just sayin'.


I'll step up and say it's wrong.  I don't want that individual in my squad covering my back.
Unfortunately, some "unethical recruiters" are still driven by quotas and wil find ways to circumvent
the restrictions to enlistment to hit their numbers.  Failure to hit your numbers means bad review and reassignment.


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I'll step up and say it's wrong.  I don't want that individual in my squad covering my back.
Unfortunately, some "unethical recruiters" are still driven by quotas and wil find ways to circumvent
the restrictions to enlistment to hit their numbers.  Failure to hit your numbers means bad review and reassignment.


Perhaps all enlistees should be given a mental health background check, just as they seek to use for gun licenses.

Maybe it would reduce suicides in the military.

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Perhaps all enlistees should be given a mental health background check, just as they seek to use for gun licenses.

Maybe it would reduce suicides in the military.



"unethcial recruiters"....they will find a way
even "uniform haters" could get in if the recruiter needs to meet quota


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"cosutumed unethcial recruiters"....they will find a way
even "uniform haters" could get in if the recruiter needs to meet quota




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alrighty then........i just check with my relative....he said that he has to be drug free (legal or otherwise) for 6 months prior to enlistment and they would take blood tests....however....if they suspect he is 'using' while enlisted, there is a 'legal' limit via blood tests that they allow. Don't know what that 'legal limit' is yet...still checking...

they aren't concerned as much with the 'mental status' as they are with the 'drug usage'....in this case anyway. it may be different from recruiter to recruiter...donno these days!


When the INSANE are running the ASYLUM
In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche


“How fortunate for those in power that people never think.”
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"cosutumed unethcial recruiters"....

Your jealousy is showing again....why were you rejected????  
Was it the urine test? Heard you stayed up all night studying for it!!!!



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the issue is giving another human being that we ASSUME is not mentally ill.....to make judgement...because another human
being made a judgement on them to call them an expert, and prior to that human being another human being made a judgement on them...etc etc etc....


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

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alrighty then........i just check with my relative....he said that he has to be drug free (legal or otherwise) for 6 months prior to enlistment and they would take blood tests....however....if they suspect he is 'using' while enlisted, there is a 'legal' limit via blood tests that they allow. Don't know what that 'legal limit' is yet...still checking...

they aren't concerned as much with the 'mental status' as they are with the 'drug usage'....in this case anyway. it may be different from recruiter to recruiter...donno these days!


the one that allows you to keep shooting


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

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Your jealousy is showing again....why were you rejected????  
Was it the urine test? Heard you stayed up all night studying for it!!!!





The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

John Kenneth Galbraith

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...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

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