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Little knives on planes are no longer a big deal
March 5
By DONALD BRADLEY and MATT CAMPBELL
The Kansas City Star

Relax. That penknife you use to tighten the screws on your glasses won’t get you in trouble at the airport anymore.
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WHAT’S ALLOWED

Pocketknives with retractable blades no longer than 2.36 inches and no wider than one-half inch.

Pool cues, hockey sticks, Wiffle ball bats and two golf clubs.

Starting April 25, that is.

The U.S. Transportation Security Administration announced Tuesday that for the first time since 2001, passengers will be allowed to carry pocketknives onto airplanes. Small ones, anyway, with retractable blades no longer than 2.36 inches and no wider than one-half inch.

The change relaxes rules set in place after the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks and is designed to get the country in line with international rules.

Also off the banned list: pool cues, hockey sticks, Wiffle ball bats and golf clubs, but only two.

Still banned: fixed-blade knives, box cutters and full-sized baseball bats.

Speaking at a security conference in New York, TSA Administrator John Pistole said the new rules would allow airport officials to focus on the biggest threats instead of holding everyone to the same standards.

But unions representing flight attendants fired off immediately that the plan is an “outrageous” and dangerous idea that makes TSA’s job easier at the peril of workers on the planes.

The groups said they would fight right up to April 25 to get the TSA to rescind Tuesday’s announcement.

“As the last line of defense in the cabin and key aviation partners, we believe that these proposed changes will further endanger the lives of all flight attendants and the passengers we work so hard to keep safe and secure,” the Association of Flight Attendants said in a statement.

Union spokeswoman Corey Caldwell noted later that no in-air attacks had occurred since the rules were put in place after the 2001 attacks.

“So it doesn’t make sense to undo this successful ban,” Caldwell said from Washington. “We are taking away the common sense. A knife is a weapon, right? Why would we want to introduce knives back onto airplanes?”

And a Wiffle ball bat?

“OK, a Wiffle ball bat is not a top concern, but anything can be a weapon to someone up to no good,” Caldwell said.

Travelers came down on both sides Tuesday at Kansas City International Airport.

Keith Nathan, who flies frequently and was returning home to Dallas after a business trip, liked the knife ban.

“Sometimes I complain about the rules in place, but it’s for our benefit,” Nathan said. “As soon as you start easing up control, things start to happen. There are bad guys out there waiting for an opportunity. This may be one of them.”

But the change sounds good to Ron Heape of Warsaw, Mo., who was flying to Portland, Ore. He said he often drives to avoid TSA rules, even down to Galveston, Texas, once to catch a cruise.

Heape is still peeved about the time a security officer prevented him from carrying a fingernail knife with an inch-and-a-half blade on board.

“I took it and threw it in the trash right in front of him,” Heape said.

Carrie Harmon, TSA spokeswoman for the region that includes KCI, said the relaxation of rules is possible now because in-flight security has improved greatly in the past decade.

“There are multiple layers of security in place during flight to prevent someone from inflicting catastrophic damage to the aircraft, including hardened cockpit doors, federal flight deck officers, crew members with self-defense training and federal air marshals,” Harmon said.

“Taking small knives, novelty-sized bats and certain sporting equipment off the prohibited list will allow (TSA) officers to better focus their efforts on finding higher threat items that could cause catastrophic damage to an aircraft.”

The flight attendants union said that despite repeated requests for self-defense training “to allow us to defend ourselves, flight attendants still do not receive mandatory training about how to effectively recognize and defend others against attacks aboard the aircraft.”

Josh and Nicole Sheffield, who drove down from their home in Nebraska to pick up arriving relatives at KCI, were not concerned about pocketknives on flights. Nicole Sheffield was more surprised to learn that things like hockey sticks and ski poles will be allowed.

“Where are they going to put all that sports equipment?” she asked. “People freak out now when you bring a guitar on board and try to find a place to put it.”

Read more here: http://www.kansascity.com/2013/03/05/4102640/little-knives-on-planes-are-no.html#storylink=cpy
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Pocketknives with retractable blades no longer than 2.36 inches and no wider than one-half inch


is that so the fat guy sitting in front of you jamming his seat onto your legs won't get that hurt when you get pissed off
and you stab him because he can't run away from you?


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

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is that so the fat guy sitting in front of you jamming his seat onto your legs won't get that hurt when you get pissed off
and you stab him because he can't run away from you?


They don't care who gets cut up in the cabin.

As long as the weapon can't cause any real damage to the important stuff like the plane or the pilots.

Passengers and flight attendants are easily replaceable.
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You see people loading up the overhead compartments with objects that will kill you if you hit turbulence and they fall out, and you wish you'd remembered to travel in a hard hat.

Did you ever notice that most people are terrified of things that never happen, or are very unlikely to happen, yet ignore very real danger over convenience? Like for instance, the other day I saw a neighbor backing out of her driveway, while in the road, a young man continued to push his child in a stroller, right past her. It would've taken what, a second or so for the guy to wheel the stroller up on the sidewalk? But it is harder for a strapping young man to push a stroller on the sidewalk than in the road. I see parents with their babies in the road all the time, but that was the first time I've seen that scenario behind a moving car.
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As one that travels internationaly for work, I disagree with this change.
First and foremost, why does anyone traveling on the plane need a pocket knife?
Second, I believe 2.36" is sufficient to cut through an artery, so I deem it still dangerous.
So now I guess I wil consider carrying a 2.36" pocket knife w/me for protection when I travel.
Heading to Europe in 2 weeks...gotta go out an buy me a knife before I go!!!!


JUST BECAUSE SISSY SAYS SO DOESN'T MAKE IT SO...BUT HE THINKS IT DOES!!!!!  
JUST BECAUSE MC1 SAYS SO DOESN'T MAKE IT SO!!!!!  
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As one that travels internationaly for work, I disagree with this change.
First and foremost, why does anyone traveling on the plane need a pocket knife?
Second, I believe 2.36" is sufficient to cut through an artery, so I deem it still dangerous.
So now I guess I wil consider carrying a 2.36" pocket knife w/me for protection when I travel.
Heading to Europe in 2 weeks...gotta go out an buy me a knife before I go!!!!


Do me a favor, buy a dozen of them and put them on a necklace. See if they object.

Are deadly nail clippers still banned?

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The policy, which goes into effect April 25, will also allow passengers to include in their carry-on luggage novelty-size baseball bats less than 24 inches long, toy plastic bats, billiard cues, ski poles, hockey sticks, lacrosse sticks and two golf clubs. Items like box cutters and razor blades are still prohibited.

Knives permitted under the policy must be able to fold up and have blades that are 2.36 inches or less in length and are less than 1/2-inch wide. The policy is aimed at allowing passengers to carry pen knives, corkscrews with small blades and other small knives

The head of the TSA is a complete and total JACKASS!!!!
novelty-size baseball bats less than 24 inches long - CAN YOU SAY BILLY CLUB aka WEAPON?
billiard cues - CAN YOU SAY NUNCHUKS or BILLY CLUB aka WEAPON?
ski poles, hockey sticks, lacrosse sticks and two golf clubs - OMG....THESE ARE WEAPONS!!!


JUST BECAUSE SISSY SAYS SO DOESN'T MAKE IT SO...BUT HE THINKS IT DOES!!!!!  
JUST BECAUSE MC1 SAYS SO DOESN'T MAKE IT SO!!!!!  
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The head of the TSA is a complete and total JACKASS!!!!
novelty-size baseball bats less than 24 inches long - CAN YOU SAY BILLY CLUB aka WEAPON?
billiard cues - CAN YOU SAY NUNCHUKS or BILLY CLUB aka WEAPON?
ski poles, hockey sticks, lacrosse sticks and two golf clubs - OMG....THESE ARE WEAPONS!!!


Lol.

MacGiver could take down a plane with a corkscrew, and a miniature baseball bat.

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The head of the TSA is a complete and total JACKASS!!!!
novelty-size baseball bats less than 24 inches long - CAN YOU SAY BILLY CLUB aka WEAPON?
billiard cues - CAN YOU SAY NUNCHUKS or BILLY CLUB aka WEAPON?
ski poles, hockey sticks, lacrosse sticks and two golf clubs - OMG....THESE ARE WEAPONS!!!


human's are weapons....


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

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human's are weapons....


Insightful brilliance!


JUST BECAUSE SISSY SAYS SO DOESN'T MAKE IT SO...BUT HE THINKS IT DOES!!!!!  
JUST BECAUSE MC1 SAYS SO DOESN'T MAKE IT SO!!!!!  
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Insightful brilliance!


You are ignorant.

Hands and feet are the number 3 weapons of murder in the US.

So yes, people are weapons.

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You are ignorant.

Hands and feet are the number 3 weapons of murder in the US.

So yes, people are weapons.



And you are terminally stupid.
Let's ban people from planes.


JUST BECAUSE SISSY SAYS SO DOESN'T MAKE IT SO...BUT HE THINKS IT DOES!!!!!  
JUST BECAUSE MC1 SAYS SO DOESN'T MAKE IT SO!!!!!  
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And you are terminally stupid.
Let's ban people from planes.


no...not ban them....give them mental health exams where humans will be required to carry a RealID showing the
results, their abilities, blood type, if they have HIV, their credit score...etc etc.....

because social engineering with behavior controls is where we're headed....

THAT'S UN-AMERICAN....and pretty much a cult


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

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