Not disagreeing, but how to manage when they disagree? Court system would take too long.
Really, the court system is used to force the father to pay support easily enough.
If the father is financially liable for the future child, he should be allowed to refuse to allow it to go full term, or conversely should be required to give consent before an abortion.
If a court can prove the woman did not get consent, or did not inform the actual father, she could be charged with a crime.
Further, if a woman carries the fetus full term against the wishes of the father, the father should no longer be liable for child support.
The fetus was not created by the woman alone.
If anything under the law it should at least be considered jointly owned property, subject to continuation or termination based on mutual consent.
Are women to be allowed to a right that men are denied?
Equal rights would suggest that men should have an equal right to choose the handling of joint property.
I only suggest this as a legal argument on the grounds of equal treatment under the law, hoping that it will reduce the number of abortions, when the woman does not want the child, but often the father may likely accept full financial responsibility and take full possession at birth.
Similarly, if a father does not wish the child, the woman still has the right to choose to keep it or abort, releasing the father from any future liability.
Likewise, if the woman does not want the child, the father should also be allowed his right to choose, thereby releasing the mother from any future financial liability.
This would necessitate that all women would be required to know who the father of their fetus is. DNA testing can be done by the end of the first trimester.
Where the problems would likely arise are obviously when a woman gets pregnant by someone other than her husband. That person may also already have another family as well. But, in this case, if an abortion is not an issue, it will never come into play.
The wrong person will just be financially liable unless he challenges ownership with a DNA test.
If this was taught in schools, it would stop children from using abortion as birth control, having one abortion after another.
I believe that the father of the fetus should be required to give consent for an abortion.
L4Life believes that the rapist father of the fetus should be required to give consent for an abortion.
Figures. A classic from misogynists..."keep her barefoot and pregnant."
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Really, the court system is used to force the father to pay support easily enough. NOT THE ONLY PURPOSE AND IT IS USED FOR CUSTODY, ETC.,
If the father is financially liable for the future child, he should be allowed to refuse to allow it to go full term, or conversely should be required to give consent before an abortion. NOT "IF" HE'S LIABLE, "HE IS" LIABLE...AS YOU STATE BELOW, THE WOMAN DIDN'T MAKE THE CHILD ALONE. IT TAKES TWO, SO BOTH HAVE RESPONSIBILITY, PERIOD. TO THE POINT OF CONSENT, THAT WAS THE ISSUE. IF CONSENT IS REQUIRED AND THEY DISAGREE, HOW IS IT RESOLVED? SO FAR YOU HAVE NOT ADDRESSED THAT!
If a court can prove the woman did not get consent, or did not inform the actual father, she could be charged with a crime. NOT GOING TO STOP HER FROM MAKING UNILATERAL CHOICE/DECISION, AND CIVIL LIBERTIES UNION WOULD BE ALL OVER IT.
Further, if a woman carries the fetus full term against the wishes of the father, the father should no longer be liable for child support. NOPE, HE PLAYED, HE PAYS, NO TWO WAYS ABOUT IT.
The fetus was not created by the woman alone. HEY, SOMETHING WE AGREE ON!
If anything under the law it should at least be considered jointly owned property, subject to continuation or termination based on mutual consent.
Are women to be allowed to a right that men are denied?
Equal rights would suggest that men should have an equal right to choose the handling of joint property.
I only suggest this as a legal argument on the grounds of equal treatment under the law, hoping that it will reduce the number of abortions, when the woman does not want the child, but often the father may likely accept full financial responsibility and take full possession at birth.
Similarly, if a father does not wish the child, the woman still has the right to choose to keep it or abort, releasing the father from any future liability.ONLY IF THE WOMAN IS WILLING TO DO SO AND THE FATHER RELINQUISHES ALL FUTURE RIGHTS. FATHER CANNOT OPT OUT UPFRONT AND THEN WANT TO ENJOIN LATER!
Likewise, if the woman does not want the child, the father should also be allowed his right to choose, thereby releasing the mother from any future financial liability. INPUT STATEMENT FROM ABOVE HERE
This would necessitate that all women would be required to know who the father of their fetus is. DNA testing can be done by the end of the first trimester.YAH, ALL RAPISTS WIL SUBMIT TO DNA TESTING, RIGHT. IF THEY AREN'T IN THE SYSTEM ADN NOT CAUGHT, THEN THIS IS MUTE ISSUE!
Where the problems would likely arise are obviously when a woman gets pregnant by someone other than her husband. That person may also already have another family as well. But, in this case, if an abortion is not an issue, it will never come into play.
The wrong person will just be financially liable unless he challenges ownership with a DNA test.
If this was taught in schools, it would stop children from using abortion as birth control, having one abortion after another.
Okay, I usually don't bother with your input, as much of the time it is too biased and plain BS, but for the points you made, I've added my comments above.
Okay, with my comments input above, my question stil was not answered...when they disagree, how does it get settled? Court systems take forever and window for abortion is shorter than system will accomodate.
And just so there is no confusion by you or someone else (DUH, guess who), I in no way have stated my positioin on abortion, pro-choice, etc. I am strictly speaking to the context of the topic.
JUST BECAUSE SISSY SAYS SO DOESN'T MAKE IT SO...BUT HE THINKS IT DOES!!!!! JUST BECAUSE MC1 SAYS SO DOESN'T MAKE IT SO!!!!!
L4Life believes that the rapist father of the fetus should be required to give consent for an abortion.
Figures. A classic from misogynists..."keep her barefoot and pregnant."
no...how about the swift justice...apparently the justice system isn't up to speed on possible fetus birth from a crime.. I'd say, if it's so prevalent then the system needs to make SPECIAL tribune for rape/abortions..... the court must be speedier....it's no barefoot and pregnant it's called injustice.....
nope...give the accused rapist a mental exam..
gun = assault weapon penis = assault weapon
apparently society is all for the mental exam by 'experts'....
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Okay, with my comments input above, my question stil was not answered...when they disagree, how does it get settled? Court systems take forever and window for abortion is shorter than system will accomodate. .
I guess I'm missing the situation that you are describing.
I thought I covered women's choices if the father disagrees, as well as father's choices if the woman disagrees.
Give me an example.
One thing in your replies, you stated twice the father only gets his rights if the woman agrees. I don't understand your meaning.
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