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Henry
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Police officers in Seattle, Washington held their first gun buyback program in 20 years this weekend, underneath interstate 5,  and soon found that private gun collectors were working the large crowd as little makeshift gun shows began dotting the parking lot and sidewalks. Some even had “cash for guns” signs prominently displayed.

Police stood in awe as gun enthusiasts and collectors waved wads of cash for the guns being held by those standing in line for the buyback program.

People that had arrived to trade in their weapons for $100 or $200 BuyBack gift cards($100 for handguns, shotguns and rifles, and $200 for assault weapons) soon realized that gun collectors were there and paying top dollar for collectible firearms. So, as the line for the chump cards got longer and longer people began to jump ship and head over to the dealers.

John Diaz, Seattles Police Chief,  wasn’t pleased with the turn of events stating “I’d prefer they wouldn’t sell them,” but admitted it’s perfectly legal for private individuals to buy and sell guns, FOR NOW. Mayor Mike McGinn said at a news conference the private transactions are a loophole that needs to be closed. “There’s no background checks, and some (guns) could be exchanged on the streets that shouldn’t be in circulation.”

But Schuyler Taylor, a previous gun retailer attending the event in hopes of buying weapons, asked “Why not offer them cash versus a gift card? I’m still taking the guns off the streets; they’re just going in my safe.”

People were reportedly, at one point, jumping out of vehicles  whilst sitting in traffic – making on the spot deals with the gun buyers.

But the BuyBack wasn’t a bust. On the contrary – their $80,000 supply of gift cards didn’t last but 2 hours, and by 11:00 am they began attempting to issue IOU’s at which point the entire crowd responded by turning and marching toward the gun dealers, forcing the police officers to pack it up for the day.

On one last note of hilarity, the Seattle Police department claims that they will check the buyback guns to see if any were previously stolen and, if so, try to return them to the rightful owners! LOL. Brilliant!

In 1992, Seattle police collected more than 1,200 guns in a four-day buyback program.

Now the only question is, when will the Seattle Police department stage the next gun show?


"In the beginning of a change, the Patriot is a scarce man, brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a Patriot."

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Stupidity reigns...how could they not see that coming!


JUST BECAUSE SISSY SAYS SO DOESN'T MAKE IT SO...BUT HE THINKS IT DOES!!!!!  
JUST BECAUSE MC1 SAYS SO DOESN'T MAKE IT SO!!!!!  
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The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

John Kenneth Galbraith

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So what have the Australian laws actually done for homicide and suicide rates?
Howard cites a study (pdf) by Andrew Leigh of Australian National University and Christine Neill
of Wilfrid Laurier University finding that the firearm homicide rate fell by 59 percent, and the firearm
suicide rate fell by 65 percent, in the decade after the law was introduced, without a parallel increase
in non-firearm homicides and suicides.




The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

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What really went down was the suicides but all other violent crimes went up and as usual only the cherry picked facts get posted.
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Police officers in Seattle, Washington held their first gun buyback program in 20 years this weekend, underneath interstate 5,  and soon found that private gun collectors were working the large crowd as little makeshift gun shows began dotting the parking lot and sidewalks. Some even had “cash for guns” signs prominently displayed.

Police stood in awe as gun enthusiasts and collectors waved wads of cash for the guns being held by those standing in line for the buyback program.

People that had arrived to trade in their weapons for $100 or $200 BuyBack gift cards($100 for handguns, shotguns and rifles, and $200 for assault weapons) soon realized that gun collectors were there and paying top dollar for collectible firearms. So, as the line for the chump cards got longer and longer people began to jump ship and head over to the dealers.

John Diaz, Seattles Police Chief,  wasn’t pleased with the turn of events stating “I’d prefer they wouldn’t sell them,” but admitted it’s perfectly legal for private individuals to buy and sell guns, FOR NOW. Mayor Mike McGinn said at a news conference the private transactions are a loophole that needs to be closed. “There’s no background checks, and some (guns) could be exchanged on the streets that shouldn’t be in circulation.”

But Schuyler Taylor, a previous gun retailer attending the event in hopes of buying weapons, asked “Why not offer them cash versus a gift card? I’m still taking the guns off the streets; they’re just going in my safe.”

People were reportedly, at one point, jumping out of vehicles  whilst sitting in traffic – making on the spot deals with the gun buyers.

But the BuyBack wasn’t a bust. On the contrary – their $80,000 supply of gift cards didn’t last but 2 hours, and by 11:00 am they began attempting to issue IOU’s at which point the entire crowd responded by turning and marching toward the gun dealers, forcing the police officers to pack it up for the day.

On one last note of hilarity, the Seattle Police department claims that they will check the buyback guns to see if any were previously stolen and, if so, try to return them to the rightful owners! LOL. Brilliant!

In 1992, Seattle police collected more than 1,200 guns in a four-day buyback program.

Now the only question is, when will the Seattle Police department stage the next gun show?



So the moral of the story is what? That drug gangstas can shop for weapons at gun buyback events?

Sweet, they must be very happy.

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Teen set alight by two men

    From: The Australian
    January 29, 2013 12:00AM

A TEENAGER has been doused in a flammable liquid and set alight by two men, the resulting burns so
serious South Australian police have been unable to interview him.

In what police described as a "cowardly and despicable act", the 17-year-old had flammable liquid thrown
at him by one man, before another set him alight with a match inside a garage of a Munno Para West home
in Adelaide's northern suburbs at about 11.30pm on Sunday.

The victim was rushed to hospital with burns covering 15 per cent of his body.

He had been sitting in the garage with another friend when five others left to buy food shortly before the
attack, Detective Chief Inspector Tony Crameri said yesterday.

"At around about this time, two unknown men have approached the boy in the shed and doused him with
an unknown flammable fluid," Inspector Crameri said. "The other male has then set him alight."
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Inspector Crameri said it was too early to say if the attack was an attempted murder.

"We're still trying to work out a motive for the crime," he said.

"Until we speak to the victim, we do not know if he knows the two offenders. He may be able to
provide us with a motive."

The two men fled the scene after the attack, and an ambulance was called.

The boy's parents managed to get him into a shower to extinguish the fire.

The boy was taken to the Royal Adelaide Hospital in a critical condition.
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Murder has gone down and the most often used weapon is a knife.



Assaults have gone up from 600 per 100,000 to 800 per 100,000. That's a third higher.




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Sexual assaults in Australia, 79.5 victims per 100,000 persons

Per 100,000 in the US:

AK     75
S.D.     47.9
Mich.     47.3
N.M.     46.5
Ark.     45
Colo.     43.7
Kans.     38.8
Okla.     38.7
WA     38.1
Nebr.     36.8
Nev.     35.7
N.D.     35.2
Del.     34.7
Utah     34.3
Ariz.     33.9
Minn.     33.9
Tenn.     33.7
ID     33.5
Mont.     32.4
Ohio     32.1
Ky.     31.8
Ore.     31.7
S.C.     31.7
N.H.     31.3
Miss.     31.2
DC     31.1
Tex.     30.3
ME     29.3
Wyo.     29.1
Fla.     28.6
Ala.     28.2
R.I.     28.1
Iowa     27.4
Ind.     27.2
La.     27.2
Pa.     26.9
HA     26.8
MA.     26.7
Mo.     23.9
Ill.     23.6
Calif.     22.4
Ga.     21.6
Md.     21.3
N.C.     21.1
Vt.     21.1
Wis.     20.9
Va.     19.1
W. V.     19.1
CT.     16.3
N.Y.     14.3
N.J.     11.2
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What really went down was the suicides but all other violent crimes went up and as usual only the cherry picked facts get posted.


Suicide by firearms went down, but the suicide rates are virtually unchanged from 1993 to 2003.

METHOD OF SUICIDE

In 2003 the most common method of suicide was hanging, which was used in almost half (45%) of all suicide deaths.
The next most used methods were poisoning by 'other' (including motor vehicle exhaust) (19%), Other (15%), poisoning
by drugs (13%), and methods using firearms (9%). This distribution was consistent with that of the previous few years.
However, over the decade strong trends were apparent such as the increase in the use of hanging, and a decrease in
methods using firearms.





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What really went down was the suicides but all other violent crimes went up and as usual only the cherry picked facts get posted.


Firearm homicide rate fell by 59 percent,


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Murder has gone down and the most often used weapon is a knife.

Assaults have gone up from 600 per 100,000 to 800 per 100,000. That's a third higher.



L4Life's graph shows that the MURDER RATE HAS DECREASED...
and instead of killing the victim where the incident is listed as a HOMICIDE, the victim survives the
attack and is listed as an ASSAULT (living) instead of MURDER (dead).

Sounds like a resounding success!!!


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Australia suicide rate covering the period from 1989 to 2008 shows significant decrease in number
of suicides of almost 50%.


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

John Kenneth Galbraith

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L4Life's graph shows that the MURDER RATE HAS DECREASED...
and instead of killing the victim where the incident is listed as a HOMICIDE, the victim survives the
attack and is listed as an ASSAULT (living) instead of MURDER (dead).

Sounds like a resounding success!!!


Hahaha...Success...Never mind that the victim of assault may not have been assaulted at all if there perpetrator had a suspicion that the victim may have a weapon.  

Box supports the policy of the strong being able to more freely physically assault the weak with anything other than a gun, and by his post, is seem as if he believes the weak victim should be happy that he/she only has injuries resulting from the unarmed assault and isn't dead.  

Liberals claim to be the champions of the weak and helpless in society, except when it comes to self defense, in that case the weak must be unarmed and submit to the strong and allow themselves to be violated.  

9 out of 10 rapists support more gun control.


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9 out of 10 rapists support more gun control.

What poll was that from????  



JUST BECAUSE SISSY SAYS SO DOESN'T MAKE IT SO...BUT HE THINKS IT DOES!!!!!  
JUST BECAUSE MC1 SAYS SO DOESN'T MAKE IT SO!!!!!  
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Hahaha...Success...Never mind that the victim of assault may not have been assaulted at all if there perpetrator had a suspicion that the victim may have a weapon.  
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FACTS Cicero... FACTS???  

~The estimated total number of guns held by civilians in Australia is 3,050,0001 to 3,500,0002
~There are reportedly 172,4227 handguns in civilian possession in Australia.
~In Australia, carrying a firearm in plain view in a public place is prohibited without genuine reason.
In law, personal protection is not a genuine reason
~In Australia, firearms must be kept at home in a locked safe bolted to the floor and separate from
ammunition. You can obtain a licence to carry a firearm if it's needed for employment, sport or
primary industry.




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