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The "conspiracy theorist" used to be non-existent and ignored by the elites and talking heads in the Press.  Now they are actually engaging the people questioning the official version of a story, in an attempt to stop people from questioning the state prescribed "truth".  

The problem isn't the fact that these so-called "conspiracy theories" are accurate or not...It has all to do with the fact that more and more people are not accepting and dare to question the "official" version of major events that result in a further erosion of personal liberties.  

It doesn't matter if people accept conspiracy theories as factual, it matters that an increasing number of people are tuning out the state media's talking heads.  


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The "conspiracy theorist" used to be non-existent and ignored by the elites and talking heads in the Press.  Now they are actually engaging the people questioning the official version of a story, in an attempt to stop people from questioning the state prescribed "truth".  

The problem isn't the fact that these so-called "conspiracy theories" are accurate or not...It has all to do with the fact that more and more people are not accepting and dare to question the "official" version of major events that result in a further erosion of personal liberties.  

It doesn't matter if people accept conspiracy theories as factual, it matters that an increasing number of people are tuning out the state media's talking heads.  


Cicero's Life Motto:

Just because I'm paranoid, doesn't mean that they're not after me!


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

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I never believed that nonsense about a video that Susan Rice was running around spewing on TV. Does that make me a conspiracy theorist, when we'veall just seen proof positive that the mainstream media will give someone a forum to tell lies, unchallenged?
We had about three elected officials actually inquire into that story-telling episode, only to be told that it didn't make any difference, because four Americans were dead. Government lies to cover up God knows what, and that's the end of that, hey, did you see, that Te'o guy had a fake girlfriend! Look over here! Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain!
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Cicero's Life Motto:

Just because I'm paranoid, doesn't mean that they're not after me!


Nobody is after me box, only if I stop complying to the arbitrary rules will "they" be after me.(anybody else for that matter). That's FACT, there is the worlds largest prison population as proof.


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Nobody is after me box, only if I stop complying to the arbitrary rules will "they" be after me.(anybody else for that matter). That's FACT, there is the worlds largest prison population as proof.


The worlds largest prison population...
and
the worlds largest concentration of guns...

HUH!  No coincidence there!

BTW:
85% of the children in the world that are killed with guns...
are killed in the United States.


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

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Nobody is after me box, only if I stop complying to the arbitrary rules will "they" be after me.(anybody else for that matter). That's FACT, there is the worlds largest prison population as proof.


I'm curious....what rules do you consider not arbitrary that you do comply with


JUST BECAUSE SISSY SAYS SO DOESN'T MAKE IT SO...BUT HE THINKS IT DOES!!!!!  
JUST BECAUSE MC1 SAYS SO DOESN'T MAKE IT SO!!!!!  
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The worlds largest prison population...
and
the worlds largest concentration of guns...

HUH!  No coincidence there!

BTW:
85% of the children in the world that are killed with guns...
are killed in the United States.


Sorry!  Less than 50% of the number of sentenced prison population for 2008 was for violent crimes.  I was amazed to see that nearly 12% were sentenced for "Public-order" or NON COMPLIANCE.  You take out the public order and drug prisoners and you can reduce the prison population by 34%!

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I. State & Federal Totals: Number of Sentenced Prisoners, 2008
Offense Category
     
                         2008 (% of total)     
Violent                 730,883 (47.3%)
Property               262,880  (17.0%)     
Drug                    346,479 (22.4%)     
Public-order          185,198 (11.9%)     
Other/unspecified 19,194 (1.2%)
     
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I'm curious....what rules do you consider not arbitrary that you do comply with


Laws that are Natural Laws.  Such as not committing violence against another person.  I don't harm other people with violence not because there is a government law telling me I can't, I do it because I personally recognize the natural rights of others.  The only use of violence is in self defense.

Examples of arbitrary laws.
TSA checkpoints
Compulsory Schooling
Taxation
Passport to Travel
Registering Children - Social Security Number
Registering Children - Birth Certificate
DWI Checkpoints

And of course, Andrew Cuomo's new gun laws.


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Sorry!  Less than 50% of the number of sentenced prison population for 2008 was for violent crimes.  I was amazed to see that nearly 12% were sentenced for "Public-order" or NON COMPLIANCE.  You take out the public order and drug prisoners and you can reduce the prison population by 34%!

     
http://felonvoting.procon.org/view.resource.php?resourceID=004339




The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
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Laws that are Natural Laws.  Such as not committing violence against another person.  I don't harm other people with violence not because there is a government law telling me I can't, I do it because I personally recognize the natural rights of others.  The only use of violence is in self defense.

Examples of arbitrary laws.
TSA checkpoints
Compulsory Schooling
Taxation
Passport to Travel
Registering Children - Social Security Number
Registering Children - Birth Certificate
DWI Checkpoints

And of course, Andrew Cuomo's new gun laws.


I think that I have some pretty good arguments against Cicero's anti govt rants... but one place
where Cicero always wins    He wins every time when he shows what a waste a public
compulsory education was with him.  
You win Cic... Your education was a total waste of taxpayer dollars.


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

John Kenneth Galbraith

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Laws that are Natural Laws.  Such as not committing violence against another person.  I don't harm other people with violence not because there is a government law telling me I can't, I do it because I personally recognize the natural rights of others.  The only use of violence is in self defense.

Examples of arbitrary laws.
TSA checkpoints
Compulsory Schooling
Taxation
Passport to Travel
Registering Children - Social Security Number
Registering Children - Birth Certificate
DWI Checkpoints

And of course, Andrew Cuomo's new gun laws.


Natural laws are without a doubt what we all should live by, but unfortunately not everyone believes like you do,
so other measures must be implemented to attempt to protect us. So it's safe to believe from your answer
that you don't feel there are any Government laws that you are willing or obligated to comply with then.

Here's my thoughts on your list:
TSA checkpoints - direct result of terrorism. Does not prevent future terrorism but is one step in attempting
to protect the citizens. Not a fail safe, but viewed as a deterrent
Compulsory Schooling - children need education to succeed in life...if it's in a structured environment or home
schooling, as long as they are given every opportunity to succeed, then this is important.
Taxation - system needs drastic overhaul, but taxation is necessary in a civilized environment in order
to support the infrastructure, and allow equality of services for all, etc. Today's taxation is abused through
wrongful greed and corruption of many, not as it was intended by the founding fathers
Passport to Travel - not sure why this is a problem, but that's your choice. All countries use them.
Registering Children - Social Security Number - can't comment
Registering Children - Birth Certificate - can't comment
DWI Checkpoints - because there are those that do not adhere to the natural laws, some form of
protection for the rest of us natural law abiding citizens needs to be implemented
to prevent us from becoming victims of those that do not abide....it should be viewed strictly as
an inconvenience, unless a person is one of those not abiding.


JUST BECAUSE SISSY SAYS SO DOESN'T MAKE IT SO...BUT HE THINKS IT DOES!!!!!  
JUST BECAUSE MC1 SAYS SO DOESN'T MAKE IT SO!!!!!  
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So it's safe to believe from your answer that you don't feel there are any Government laws that you are willing or obligated to comply with then.


Yes, I stated them, the laws that punish(notice I didn't say prevent) the violation of natural law.  You are correct about the rest of the arbitrary laws, I comply because of the governments threats of violence against me for non compliance.  Whether it is stealing my money through fines or locking me in a cage.

How about this for another example.  I(and millions of other Americans) have to waste my time filling out paperwork in order to find out if I'm approved to get back some of the money the government takes out of my paycheck every pay period.  Now i could claim tax exempt, but that would require that I inform the IRS(since any exemption over 9 the IRS has to be notified) that I am adult enough to collect ALL my money each pay period and they have to trust that I square up with the government thieves at the end of the year.(They do this because most Americans would sh!t and begin a tax revolt if they paid it out in one lump sum).

So the government withholds money every pay period, holding dollars that are valued in that dates current dollar value.  Then, at the end of the year, if they withheld too much, you get a return of dollars with dollars at that dates current value(with the current QE policy, those dollars are now less valuable).

And Americans go on with their daily lives ...la-di-da...la-di-da...

I swear Americans like being treated like children.  Children are generally happy because they are naive to the reality of life.  I think in the American Pop Culture's quest to stay young, Americans choose to maintain their youthful naiveté or ignorance for their entire lives.


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The worlds largest prison population...
and
the worlds largest concentration of guns...

HUH!  No coincidence there!

BTW:
85% of the children in the world that are killed with guns...
are killed in the United States.


you forgot the rest of the manipulated stats to fit into your own puzzle



...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

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