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CICERO
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What was the percentage of people who did not vote?


About 45%


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You fought for people's rights once.



Did you really just say that?

WOW, that's not what you have said about Box and I in the past.

So are you saying we were righteous and fought for people's rights????
  
Hey BOX...did you see this??????

WOW...WOW....WOW !!!!


JUST BECAUSE SISSY SAYS SO DOESN'T MAKE IT SO...BUT HE THINKS IT DOES!!!!!  
JUST BECAUSE MC1 SAYS SO DOESN'T MAKE IT SO!!!!!  
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Look kids--this is pretty simple even you can get it...Sandy Hook has changed everything related to this issue and the NRA.  Things will be spoken of "before Sandy Hook and After Sandy Hook."  Same way as we describe things before 9-11 and after 9-11.  AWB is on its way.
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Look kids--this is pretty simple even you can get it...Sandy Hook has changed everything related to this issue and the NRA.  Things will be spoken of "before Sandy Hook and After Sandy Hook."  Same way as we describe things before 9-11 and after 9-11.  AWB is on its way.


No it hasn't...Sorry..I know you would like it to.  I think enough people regret that they fell for letting the federal government spy on all American's communications and warrantless wire tap out of post 9/11 panic.  

If the left push this any harder, I fear how some may respond.  I'd imagine and hope the Obama Administration is taking that into consideration.  


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Did you really just say that?

WOW, that's not what you have said about Box and I in the past.

So are you saying we were righteous and fought for people's rights????
  
Hey BOX...did you see this??????

WOW...WOW....WOW !!!!


Yeah, the rights of South Vietnamese and the right to prop up the South Vietnamese puppet government set up by America.  


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Yeah, the rights of South Vietnamese and the right to prop up the South Vietnamese puppet government set up by America.  


AHHH, the resident Butt Buddy Expert on everything has added his worthless pea brained uselss opinion!
Sad existence your family must endure!!!


JUST BECAUSE SISSY SAYS SO DOESN'T MAKE IT SO...BUT HE THINKS IT DOES!!!!!  
JUST BECAUSE MC1 SAYS SO DOESN'T MAKE IT SO!!!!!  
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It's not about having an AK-47 in every home. It's about people's right to choose.
Which you selectively agree or disagree with, depending on the issue.

You fought for people's rights once.
Now you dedicate your life to crushing them.

For the children!
Where was your "for the children attitude, during Viet Nam?


You have no idea what I did for the kids in Vietnam, both when I was there and when I returned to the
world.  

I am today fighting for RIGHTS... Not your right to arm America, or to disarm America...
as I've posted a few hundred times...
I support the 2nd amendment, and like the Supreme court and most Americans agree, the
2nd amendment is not a right to buy any weapon or to use it as you please.



The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

John Kenneth Galbraith

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District of Columbia v. Heller:

Instead of your opinion of what the 2nd Amendment Rights entail, why not look at the law as stated by
the US SUPREME COURT?


The Court's 70+ page opinion, authored by Justice Scalia, is, without question, the Supreme Court's
most detailed explanation of its understanding of the Second Amendment. Justice Scalia, a hunter
and probably the current Court's biggest proponent of gun rights, devoted an entire section
(Section III) of his opinion to a limitation on the scope of the right.
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Scalia explicitly states that the Second Amendment does not permit possession of any firearm at
any place for any purpose.

He makes it abundantly clear that individuals may be limited in the possession of a firearm based
on personal histories, which, by implication, is constitutional sanction for background checks. He
states that weapons may be banned from certain places to include public buildings and schools.


And finally, he makes it clear that there are those in America who believe that the Second Amendment
was designed by leaders in the colonial period to permit private citizens to arm themselves so as
to protect their liberty from tyranny potentially imposed by standing armies of the government.
While Scalia does not challenge this historical claim, he suggests that this historical background
does not permit contemporary citizens to claim that they have a Second Amendment-based right
to possess arms equivalent in lethality to military forces. This admittedly brief assertion by
Justice Scalia seems to challenge the primary argument made by some regarding constitutional
protection for assault weapons.


Your 'opinion' of the meaning of the 2nd amendment is no more or less valid than mine.
The RIGHTS that I fought for are stated by the US Constitution and outlined by the
US Supreme Court's rulings... which in this case say:
Your gun rights can be limited...
your right to a weapon doesn not guarantee you the right to any weapon for any purpose...
and
It is legal to Ban Assault Weapons, and limit magazine capacity.



The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

John Kenneth Galbraith

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Did you really just say that?

WOW, that's not what you have said about Box and I in the past.

So are you saying we were righteous and fought for people's rights????
  
Hey BOX...did you see this??????

WOW...WOW....WOW !!!!



Well, you believed that you were. What others believed is another story.

The point is he believed in people's rights, now chooses to restrict/regulate the rights that were
paid for with human lives.

Like I said. I'm not against background checks at gun shows,

I'm not against clip limits if it applies to government guns equally.

I do not support banning semi-automatic weapons. Even though I will likely never own one,
but I have friends and relatives that do.

Cuomo's bill just clumped too much stuff together and that is why it is being fought from
people from all sides.

He just reacted without any sort of debate or discussion. He just issued a ban.

He enacted things that just piss people off, knowing full well those things won't stop a
homicidal maniac on a rampage.

Had he proposed a bill requiring background checks be done at all gun shows in NY State,
he would have had limited opposition. Very few would argue against a reasonable
requirement at a commercial sales event.

If he took the existing background check procedures and examined ways to reduce the
odds of felons or people who have been involuntarily committed, from buying weapons,
that again would meet little resistance. Who could argue against that?

Declaring all current assault rifles grandfathered in but no future guns will be allowed
is both discriminatory and won't stop any homicidal maniacs from going berserk.

The government has no idea how to deal with suicidal killers, here or overseas. It's a
worldwide problem. Suicide bombers/shooters are appearing everywhere. Not knowing
what to do for a problem, should not be used to pass anything, just so we can say we
tried. It is estimated that 1.5 million assault weapons were privately owned in 1994.
They still are out there. The assault weapons ban did nothing except prevent future
numbers being added to the total. With the expiration of that ban the numbers have
likely risen. The number of firearm deaths relative to population has not risen and
there is no reason to expect it to. A handful of suicide killers go crazy every year.
It is going to happen. You can't change human nature with a law.

People's rights are the most important part of American life and should not be crushed
every time someone panics because of an event and decides to use the hysteria to gain
popularity and future votes.

Reducing or restricting American rights should be the absolute last resort, not the
hysterical first response of knee jerk politicians looking to run for President in 2016.

No one will stand in the way of reasonable restrictions like the gun show background
checks or more thorough procedures for background checks. But actually banning guns,
clips, creating big brother databases of every gun in existence, etc will meet the
resistance of civilians, both current and former military and the police/sheriffs.

Cuomo has decided he wants to completely change gun ownership totally
and absolutely. It will never stand. The house is totally divided.

The best thing he could do is repeal and make changes that don't affect the rights
of millions while attempting to legislate the behavior of a handful. Instead of standing
tough on his unreasonable stance, he should accept that the bill was inadvertently
more than the required measured response.  He would gain respect for being man
enough to admit he over-reacted and would get support for what we all want, a safer
place for everyone.

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You have no idea what I did for the kids in Vietnam, both when I was there and when I returned to the
world.  

I am today fighting for RIGHTS... Not your right to arm America, or to disarm America...
as I've posted a few hundred times...
I support the 2nd amendment, and like the Supreme court and most Americans agree, the
2nd amendment is not a right to buy any weapon or to use it as you please.



I was talking about the collective "you" that fought in Viet Nam, not the individual you. But you knew that.

You are not fighting for anything except your right to choose for everyone else.



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.  AWB is on its way.


Coumo's law is being challenged already.

The Republicans have declared they will stop any assault weapons ban.

The AWB is on it's way out of existence.

It's going to take a lot more than a Sandy Hook incident to restrict/reduce/regulate away people's rights.

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I was talking about the collective "you" that fought in Viet Nam, not the individual you. But you knew that.
You are not fighting for anything except your right to choose for everyone else.


Attempting to stay on topic, I do have to say that there is a definite lack of knowledge by some on
this board.

The other day with the posts on the Holocaust... Some posts not only showed a lack of basic facts
but a disregard for those FACTS.
On the subject of Vietnam, I see a similar likeness...
Opinions are expressed as FACT, Facts are of minor concern and when they don't know the FACTS, instead
of looking them up, they just make em up!

I know people in their 20's 30's 40's and on... and most of them from very well educated to only a high
school education know more than many on this board about basic FACTS of  History.

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but not their own FACTS.  
And these people vote??? (well some of them do)



The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

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Coumo's law is being challenged already.
The Republicans have declared they will stop any assault weapons ban.
The AWB is on it's way out of existence.
It's going to take a lot more than a Sandy Hook incident to restrict/reduce/regulate away people's rights.


How many dead kids bodies do you think it will take to complete an assault weapons ban?


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

John Kenneth Galbraith

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Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but not their own FACTS.  
And these people vote??? (well some of them do)


Coumo's gun laws will be repealed.

Opinion or fact?

I see you once again admit defeat. You always revert to your standby crap after you lose each debate.

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How many dead kids bodies do you think it will take to complete an assault weapons ban?


Your argument is based on the requirement that dead babies equals assault weapons ban.

It does not. Your question presumes a fact not in existence, fact creating hypocrite boy.

How many crying hysterical gun grabbing abortionists does it take to beg the government to take
away someone else's rights?


Answer:

Lol! Idiots!


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