There are several threads presently mixing many different views of the 2nd Amendment. Much of the problem is that some on this board mistakenly have the position that the 2nd amendment allows citizens to take up arms against their own government. Or...as it's commonly called "TREASON".
The reason that they want citizens carrying AR15's, RPG's, and mortars, is that they expect to use those weapons against our own government in some glorified patriots rebellion.
The reason that much of the other threads are going in circles is that they aren't being honest in their posts. They, like much of the country would like to keep dangerous weapons out of the hands of criminals, but they consider their own criminal behavior to be exempt.
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Treason: sedition mean disloyalty or treachery to one's country or its government. Treason is any attempt to overthrow the government or impair the well-being of a state to which one owes allegiance; the crime of giving aid or comfort to the enemies of one's government.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
A few board posters think that we have the Second Amendment so that we can take up arms against the government if it overreaches its authority. If that interpretation were correct, it would mean that the Second Amendment had repealed the Constitution’s treason clause, which defines this crime as taking up arms against the government.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
"In the beginning of a change, the Patriot is a scarce man, brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a Patriot."
"In the beginning of a change, the Patriot is a scarce man, brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a Patriot."
A few board posters think that we have the Second Amendment so that we can take up arms against the government if it overreaches its authority. If that interpretation were correct, it would mean that the Second Amendment had repealed the Constitution’s treason clause, which defines this crime as taking up arms against the government.
Nobody said that. The Second Amendment is to defend oneself from a government that takes arms against the citizens. I guess your understanding of the Constitution is that there is no limits in which the federal government can violate individual rights. No limit on imprisionment, no limit on spying, no limit on taxation, no limit on pretty much anything.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
Some think that the Second Amendment exists as insurance against a tyrannical government. But how do you define “tyrannical government”? It would be a government that cancels elections, that refuses to allow the peaceful transfer of authority, that uses military force to keep itself in power or that tries to defy judicial limits on its power.
In the extremely unlikely event of such a situation, “Second Amendment remedies” would indeed be justified and I’d be among those trying to implement said remedies.
On this board “Second Amendment remedies” as a way to “correct” the acts of a duly elected Congress and duly elected president is to suggest TREASON. And that’s just what Henry and Cicero are doing. They are the self-indulgent whining of losers who can’t compete in the political arena and thus have to threaten to impose their viewpoints through violence. It is fascist in its motivation and intent, and deeply opposed to concepts of freedom.
People who spout such nonsense are not patriotic Americans; they are not lovers of liberty or believers in the rule of law or self-governance. By claiming the right to impose their viewpoints through violence rather than the ballot box, they seek to become the very tyrants they claim to oppose, and wrapping their ugliness in the American flag does nothing to change its vile character. In fact, it makes it more offensive.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
The Second Amendment is to defend oneself from a government that takes arms against the citizens.
I've read the amendment several times and simply can't find how your statement is a reflection of what was written. Would you care to point it out...or would you just admit it is YOUR intrepretation, (as in NOT WHAT IT SAYS!)!!!!
JUST BECAUSE SISSY SAYS SO DOESN'T MAKE IT SO...BUT HE THINKS IT DOES!!!!! JUST BECAUSE MC1 SAYS SO DOESN'T MAKE IT SO!!!!!
On this board “Second Amendment remedies” as a way to “correct” the acts of a duly elected Congress and duly elected president is to suggest TREASON. And that’s just what Henry and Cicero are doing. They are the self-indulgent whining of losers who can’t compete in the political arena and thus have to threaten to impose their viewpoints through violence. It is fascist in its motivation and intent, and deeply opposed to concepts of freedom.
People who spout such nonsense are not patriotic Americans; they are not lovers of liberty or believers in the rule of law or self-governance. By claiming the right to impose their viewpoints through violence rather than the ballot box, they seek to become the very tyrants they claim to oppose, and wrapping their ugliness in the American flag does nothing to change its vile character. In fact, it makes it more offensive.
Box, I'm glad to say you're speaking for me and Henry.
I've never once suggested an armed revolt because I didn't like the outcome of an election. I've never once said that I believe there is any reason for an armed revolt - RIGHT NOW. But there is no predicting the future. Who's to say that in 10, 20, 50 or 100 years that the very reasons you suggested for an armed revolt doesn't come to fruition?
You must be a fortune teller box. With historical evidence of tyranny imposed on nations in western democracies, I would think with that historical perspective you would see the foresight the founders had, and why they thought it was important to put the Second Amendment in Bill of Rights. But I guess what happened in Germany, Italy, Spain, France, Russia, and many other nations will never happen here.
I am at ease knowing that the oracle box has assured me that tyranny will never come to America, because it only happens in “other places”.
"They are the self-indulgent whining of losers who can’t compete in the political arena and thus have to threaten to impose their viewpoints through violence. It is fascist in its motivation and intent, and deeply opposed to concepts of freedom."
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
I think you past that point long ago box, sad really someone like you who took an oath so quickly threw it away for more power over those you were supposed to be protecting. What happened, did you find it powering to have control over others at the point of your weapon in Nam, fast forward to today where you are to old to fight but love the idea of others forcing your views with the barrels of their guns Thank God the younger generation has some view of what freedom is supposed to be about and is growing everyday while the old views like yours fade away as your generation passes on. Truth is this is your agendas last push, over the years we seen countless pro-2nd amendment bills pass and that continues today through the states. You may get 1 victory but it will be short lived like the old assault weapons ban, not that anyone ever followed that unconstitutional piece of garbage to begin with Yeah I know the truth pisses you off don't it.
"In the beginning of a change, the Patriot is a scarce man, brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a Patriot."
I think you past that point long ago box, sad really someone like you who took an oath so quickly threw it away for more power over those you were supposed to be protecting. What happened, did you find it powering to have control over others at the point of your weapon in Nam, fast forward to today where you are to old to fight but love the idea of others forcing your views with the barrels of their guns Thank God the younger generation has some view of what freedom is supposed to be about and is growing everyday while the old views like yours fade away as your generation passes on. Truth is this is your agendas last push, over the years we seen countless pro-2nd amendment bills pass and that continues today through the states. You may get 1 victory but it will be short lived like the old assault weapons ban, not that anyone ever followed that unconstitutional piece of garbage to begin with Yeah I know the truth pisses you off don't it.
Look at all that anger... Yea, I have a problem with people like this owning assault weapons!
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
If treason is against the government, then treason would be an act committed against ourselves. Unless the government is something other than "we"?Hmmmmmm....
Look at all that anger... Yea, I have a problem with people like this owning assault weapons!
Of course, because somebody's first amendment gives you enough reason to take away the second. That is a tyrants logic. All the more reason to never give an inch to the gun grabbers.
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Thank God the younger generation has some view of what freedom is supposed to be about and is growing everyday while the old views like yours fade away as your generation passes on. Truth is this is your agendas last push, over the years we seen countless pro-2nd amendment bills pass and that continues today through the states. You may get 1 victory but it will be short lived like the old assault weapons ban, not that anyone ever followed that unconstitutional piece of garbage to begin with 
