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Kennesaw’s Gregory eyes new gun laws
by Jon Gillooly
December 21, 2012 12:57 AM | 7285 views | 90 90 comments | 21 21 recommendations | email to a
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MARIETTA — State representative-elect Charles Gregory (R-Kennesaw) has pre-filed four bills that would
increase gun rights in Georgia, including the ability to carry firearms into churches and onto college
campuses.

Gregory, who unseated veteran state Rep. Judy Manning (R-Marietta) in the Republican primary, said that
while he filed the bills on Wednesday, he began work on them before the school shootings in Connecticut.

State Rep. Alisha Thomas Morgan (D-Austell) is less than pleased by his proposed legislation.

“The only word that comes to my mind is ‘sad,’” Morgan said. “In a time where people are suffering and
in the deepest pain I think this country has felt in a long time, I think this is not the time to start
conversations about more guns. Now is the time to start the conversation about protecting kids and
protecting people, not more guns, so I’m sad that those bills have been filed, and I just wish that right
now we focus on healing and acknowledging the pain that the country is in, particularly the people of
Connecticut.”

House Bill 26, The Georgia Constitution Carry Act of 2013, would eliminate the licensing requirement for
citizens to carry concealed weapons within the state.

“You would be, according to the state, a legal weapons carrier by default of being proper age,” Gregory
said of the bill. “The Constitution carries basically that if you can vote, you can carry.”

HB 27 is called The Restoring Gun Rights During a State of Emergency Act of 2013.

“There is a section of code that defines the emergency powers of the governor, and to be honest it is
filled with a bunch of horrible infringements on the people,” Gregory said. “This one simply strikes out
his ability to limit the sale and transfer of firearms during an emergency,” he said. “During times of
emergency are the times when our liberties are eroded in the name of whatever emergency it is, and
time after time government comes up with emergencies to erode our rights.”

HB 28 is called Restoring Private Property Rights for Places of Worship Act of 2013.

“In layman’s terms, that’s church carry,” Gregory said. “The point is anybody that owns property can say
whether somebody is let on their property or what should be done on that property.
Private property rights
are very important. They’re fundamental to all of our rights. And what the government’s done is they
have overrun private property rights specifically for places of worship. By striking this from the list of
prohibited weapons carry locations, it returns that decision back the private property owner, so a church
would be able to say what can and cannot be done on their own property.”

HB 29 is The Campus Carry Act of 2013.

“That is essentially the same thing as the church one, they’re both on the same list of prohibited
locations,” Gregory said.

By campus, Gregory means, “the campus of any public or private technical school, vocational school,
college, university or institution of post-secondary education.”

Gregory said he limited the right to carry firearms to post-secondary education campuses because, “that
is what is closer to politically feasible.”

“These laws just make people sitting ducks, and it is incomprehensible to me that we would try and use
the government to try and strip somebody of their right to self-defense,” he said. “From a practical
standpoint, if somebody was in that (Connecticut) school, say a principal had had a firearm, he probably
could have saved many, many lives that day.”

Since the massacre in Connecticut, Gregory said he’s listened as many have proposed eroding gun rights.

“People need to stand up for these liberties right now,” he said. “When there is an emergency or a
tragedy, that’s when these sort of things are taken, and it’s fighting tooth and nail to get any small bit
of liberty back in this country because for the entire history of our country since the beginning it’s been
erosion of our liberties, and people do need to stand up in defense of those liberties, and also beyond
that from a practical standpoint the argument of gun control is just not true, it’s a fallacy. You can’t take
weapons away from good people and expect that bad people are not going to get their weapons some
other way, and then they’re just predators on sheep.”

Read more: The Marietta Daily Journal - Kennesaw’s Gregory eyes new gun laws
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20 Deadliest Gun States
Jan 10, 2011

#1, Mississippi
Gun deaths per 100,000: 18.3
Permissive gun laws: 4th out of 50

#2, Arizona
Gun deaths per 100,000: 15
Permissive gun laws: 1st out of 50

#3, Alaska
Gun deaths per 100,000: 17.6
Permissive gun laws: 11th out of 50

#4, Arkansas
Gun deaths per 100,000: 15.1
Permissive gun laws: 7th out of 50

#5, Louisiana
Gun deaths per 100,000: 19.9
Permissive gun laws: 23rd out of 50

#6, New Mexico
Gun deaths per 100,000: 15
Permissive gun laws: 6th out of 50

#7, Alabama
Gun deaths per 100,000: 17.6
Permissive gun laws: 27th out of 50

#8, Nevada
Gun deaths per 100,000: 16.2
Permissive gun laws: 22nd out of 50


#9, Montana
Gun deaths per 100,000: 14.5
Permissive gun laws: 10th out of 50

#10, Wyoming
Gun deaths per 100,000: 14.5
Permissive gun laws: 8th out of 50

#11, Kentucky
Gun deaths per 100,000: 14.4
Permissive gun laws: 5th out of 50

#12, West Virginia
Gun deaths per 100,000: 14.8
Permissive gun laws: 25th out of 50

#13, Tennessee
Gun deaths per 100,000: 15
Permissive gun laws: 31st out of 50

#14, Oklahoma
Gun deaths per 100,000: 13.4
Permissive gun laws: 17th out of 50

#15, Idaho
Gun deaths per 100,000: 12.5
Permissive gun laws: 2nd out of 50

#16, Georgia
Gun deaths per 100,000: 13.1
Permissive gun laws: 13th out of 50


#17, Missouri
Gun deaths per 100,000: 12.9
Permissive gun laws: 12th out of 50

#18, South Carolina
Gun deaths per 100,000: 13.4
Permissive gun laws: 20th out of 50


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

John Kenneth Galbraith

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Deadliest Gun States  (The higher the # the less gun deaths)

#41, New Hampshire
Gun deaths per 100,000: 5.9
Permissive gun laws: 26th out of 50

#42, Minnesota
Gun deaths per 100,000: 6.6
Permissive gun laws: 36th out of 50

#43, Illinois
Gun deaths per 100,000: 8
Permissive gun laws: 45th out of 50

#44, Iowa
Gun deaths per 100,000: 5.3
Permissive gun laws: 38th out of 50

#45, New York
Gun deaths per 100,000: 5.1
Permissive gun laws: 43rd out of 50


#46, New Jersey
Gun deaths per 100,000: 5.2
Permissive gun laws: 49th out of 50

#47, Connecticut
Gun deaths per 100,000: 4.3
Permissive gun laws: 46th out of 50

#48, Rhode Island
Gun deaths per 100,000: 3.5
Permissive gun laws: 42nd out of 50

#49, Massachusetts
Gun deaths per 100,000: 3.6
Permissive gun laws: 48th out of 50

#50, Hawaii
Gun deaths per 100,000: 2.8
Permissive gun laws: 47th out of 50


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Must be a coincidence...

The deadliest Gun States are mostly Red Republican states...

The least deadly Gun States are mostly Blue Democrat States...


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

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Over half of all gun deaths are suicide.

You can't legislate away suicides with gun laws.

Another large chunk of gun deaths is at the hands of police.

Kennesaw has mandatory gun ownership and it has reduced crime while the population tripled.

Facts are facts.

Gun deaths are idiot stats.

Of course you would jump on them.
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You continue to argue apples vs grapefruits.

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First L4Life posts:
Quoted from Libertarian4life

"Facts are facts.
Gun deaths are idiot stats.
Of course you would jump on them."


Then he posts Gun Deaths stats...

Quoted from Libertarian4life


"In fact, more than 25 years after the ban, not a single resident of Kennesaw has
been involved in a fatal shooting - as a victim, attacker or defender."



... what L4Life calls
"IDIOT STATS"...

By his own words, that would make L4Life... (his words, not mine)... an IDIOT!


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
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Quoted from Box A Rox
First L4Life posts:


Then he posts Gun Deaths stats...



... what L4Life calls
"IDIOT STATS"...

By his own words, that would make L4Life... (his words, not mine)... an IDIOT!



False premise, logically impaired one.

You are famous for taking pieces of a statement and using them out of context as part of your non-logic
based argument style.

If you wish to offer a postulate, you don't get to add anything you want as the logical outcome.

It must be part of a theorem.

I posted quoted text from the Kennesaw website.

That doesn't mean therefor L4L is an idiot.

That's not how logical proof works.

I posted a statement made by them as to the effects of gun ownership on crime.

You posted gun deaths from different centuries as a comparison of gun deaths between 2 different time
frames in different gun law areas.

You can't post gun deaths and claim lower crime where gun laws are more restrictive, when you haven't
posted crime stats to justify your delusional results.

A postulate is a statement that is assumed true without proof. A theorem is a true statement that can be proven.

Then you throw in a handful of opinion to further obfuscate the issue into incomprehensible gibberish.

You wear down your discussion opponent because they give up attempting to have a logical discussion with
a person the doesn't know how to offer a postulate or present facts to prove a theorem.







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I feel like I've been arguing with a monkey flinging poop at his monitor to see what sticks.

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Quoted from Libertarian4life
I feel like I've been arguing with a monkey flinging poop at his monitor to see what sticks.



You can't win, if you show evidence or catch him in a lie he switches topics or throws out another piece of propaganda, its like a liberal playing the race card when things aren't going their way, you know its bogus but you also know the discussion isn't worth having after that



"In the beginning of a change, the Patriot is a scarce man, brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a Patriot."

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