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Libertarian4life
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Box, it's simple, bring all this evidence to a federal court and go through the due process - after the execution - to prove it was just.  You keep on regurgitating government propaganda on corporate media.  Have you lost faith in due process?  You seem to have all the evidence, all presented from one side, without challenge, through the media, but none of this evidence was presented in a court of law.  Hence - EXTRAJUDICIAL.

Maybe you think edited corporate media is the justice system of the future.


So it's collective murder.

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Very nice box, it reads like the Enabling Act of 1933 in Germany.  Glad to see you support the consolidation of power that usurps the rights of U.S. citizens.  

BTW, the military didn't kill Awlaki, the CIA did.  Drone attacks is an operation of the CIA.  The CIA is a civilian intelligence agency - not military. Try again.
  
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The president is authorized to use necessary military force against entities -- including persons --
who aided the 9/11 attacks.  This authorization is both retroactive and preventative.
  Al-Awlaki's teachings explicitly contributed to the 2001 attacks, and his fanaticism directly inspired
multiple additional plots against the United States.
  He was a proud, active member of Al Qaeda, and
he would have carried on with his murderous work if he hadn't been liquidated.  In other words,
he intentionally and knowingly joined the enemy in a time of war. His citizenship did not shield him
from that choice.


So which is it box, was Awlaki killed because he was an imminent threat like you suggested earlier, or was his free speech inspiring people?  

We are not at war, a war hasn't been declared.  The enemy is an emotion - "terror".

Are all the people on the presidents "kill list' 911 conspirators?


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So it's collective murder.



Collective murder by the decree of a dictator is pretty old.  *See Enabling Act of 1933*


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Very nice box, it reads like the Enabling Act of 1933 in Germany.  Glad to see you support the consolidation of power that usurps the rights of U.S. citizens.  
BTW, the military didn't kill Awlaki, the CIA did.  Drone attacks are an operation of the CIA.  The CIA is a civilian intelligence agency - not military. Try again.
So which is it box, was Awlaki killed because he was an imminent threat like you suggested earlier, or was his free speech inspiring people?  
We are not at war, a war hasn't been declared.  The enemy is an emotion - "terror".
Are all the people on the presidents "kill list' 911 conspirators?


I keep giving you my opinion... you refuse to hear it.

Awlaki was targeted IMO, because he was planning attacks (and building bombs) to attack the USA
and out allies.  His many past attacks, some successful, some not, were going to continue until he
was stopped.  It would have been preferable to be arrested, but that was impossible...
so (as I've posted countless times in the past) just as with a SWAT Team who occasionally have to
kill US citizens, Awlaki was also targeted.  

Al Qaeda and it's allies are in the business of killing every day.  They have executed hundreds in Pakistan,
Yemen, and Afghanistan.  They kill US operatives and those who side with the US, many of them Muslims.
They see this conflict as a war, and will continue killing in their war.  The US can sit and watch the deaths
mount, or we can take action to prevent it.  
It's not complicated... and if their targets were in Schenectady county, you'd understand that.


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

John Kenneth Galbraith

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It's not complicated... and if their targets were in Schenectady county, you'd understand that.


Who has the ideology of fear?  Woooooo!  Scaaary!  I have a much better chance dying falling down stair than a terrorist attack.  What a crock!


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Who has the ideology of fear?  Woooooo!  Scaaary!  I have a much better chance dying falling down stair than a terrorist attack.  What a crock!


And that's why you support terrorists like your buddy  'Al Wacki'.  They are murderers who, if you have your
way, will kill again and again... just not in your neighborhood, so you support them.


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philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

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I keep giving you my opinion... you refuse to hear it.

Awlaki was targeted IMO, because he was planning attacks (and building bombs) to attack the USA
and out allies.  His many past attacks, some successful, some not, were going to continue until he
was stopped.  It would have been preferable to be arrested, but that was impossible...
so (as I've posted countless times in the past) just as with a SWAT Team who occasionally have to
kill US citizens, Awlaki was also targeted.  


Box, even though I don't agree, I've given you this argument.  I'll concede for argument sake, he was a dangerous man.  Then just bring the evidence to federal court and allow for the justice system to work to vindicate your beloved CIA CIVILIAN drone program.  I don't know what is so hard about that?  You never address why the victim of a drone strike(especially a U.S. citizen) doesn't deserve his day in court in an attempt to prove his innocents.  The overwhelming power of the state shouldn't be afraid of that.  I mean, my god, the one sided propaganda put out by the government already has you convinced that he was guilty as charged and sentenced to death without hearing one word from a defense team.  It's pretty scary how americans are so easily persuaded to accept the official government story without challenge.


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And that's why you support terrorists like your buddy  'Al Wacki'.  They are murderers who, if you have your
way, will kill again and again... just not in your neighborhood, so you support them.


More fear generated by state propaganda.  The guy was never able to defend himself in court(even after the execution) yet to box he is a "murderer" and will "kill again".  Woooooo!  I'm shaking!

The government just shovels their version of the story into your head and you regurgitate it.  Your critical thinking lobe must be damaged or maybe the military indoctrination never allowed it to fully develop.  

Due process was designed to give two sides to the story in search of the truth.  Box doesn't need the other side, his president assured him that he isn't lying, because Obama would never lie to a fellow democrat.


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More fear generated by state propaganda. ...


Aha! You just went back on topic.

The subway girl was driven by government generated hate.

Supporters of government sponsored hate are obviously mental.

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Aha! You just went back on topic.

The subway girl was driven by government generated hate.

Supporters of government sponsored hate are obviously mental.


I agree.  The governments blatant disregard for human life and justice system will impress those very same values onto that segment of society that hold no core values besides those provided by the state.  The state is a religion for many Americans, and they are moved by the words and actions of those in the highest offices.  


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More fear generated by state propaganda.  The guy was never able to defend himself in court(even after the execution) yet to box he is a "murderer" and will "kill again".  Woooooo!  I'm shaking!

The government just shovels their version of the story into your head and you regurgitate it.  Your critical thinking lobe must be damaged or maybe the military indoctrination never allowed it to fully develop.  

Due process was designed to give two sides to the story in search of the truth.  Box doesn't need the other side, his president assured him that he isn't lying, because Obama would never lie to a fellow democrat.

I agree with no due process in a hostage situation where a SWAT team kills the hostage taker, when other
means would lead to the hostage being killed.  This isn't the preferred outcome, but a necessary outcome
under the circumstances.  I would prefer the criminal be captured, but that isn't among the choices available.
I feel the same way about this drone case.



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philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

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Even the victim of a SWAT raid can have their day in court for wrongful death.  What if they raided the wrong house and killed an innocent person defending themselves?  That happens.  


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Even the victim of a SWAT raid can have their day in court for wrongful death.  What if they raided the wrong house and killed an innocent person defending themselves?  That happens.  


Yes, mistakes do happen. Awlaki is no mistake.


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Yes, mistakes do happen. Awlaki is no mistake.


From a guy that only needs one side of the story - the governments official version.  

And I'm sure you've already determined the rest on the kill list are guilty too, because Ceasar said they are.


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