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Nothing wrong with a law abiding citizen owning guns.
The majority of people who own guns have them for hunting, sport and protection. Some collect antique guns as a hobby.
Law abiding citizens respect their guns, they keep them in a safe place, they keep them unloaded.
If there are children in the house you keep the guns locked up with ammo locked up.

There will always be the awful small percentage who have NO regard for human life. And they will take life by a gun, a knife, by their own hands.

When you live in a violent neighborhood or any neighborhood for that matter and police response time is not what it should be... for example when a guy was trying to get into my front door and had to call the police three times and a half hour later they finally showed up.

Well if someone is breaking into my home and I feel threatened for myself and family I cannot be sure police would be here in time if my life is in danger.

Of course anyone who cares for their family would protect them any way they can, and if that is loading their gun and having to use it ......

Gun laws are not going to stop violent crimes.  Criminals will get guns by any means necessary, they do not go into a gun store, they get them off the
streets.
And the deranged pyschos who have committed these mass murders there is no hell hot enough for them.


I agree with much of your post.  The only comment I will make is about this:
"Gun laws are not going to stop violent crimes.  Criminals will get guns by any means necessary, they
do not go into a gun store, they get them off the streets.


40% of sales at 'gun shows' are sold with out required background checks for criminals or mental illness.  
In many states you can go to a gun show right out of a mental ward of a psychiatric prison and buy a gun.
The only restriction is that you have the Cash$$$


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philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

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I agree with much of your post.  The only comment I will make is about this:
"Gun laws are not going to stop violent crimes.  Criminals will get guns by any means necessary, they
do not go into a gun store, they get them off the streets.


40% of sales at 'gun shows' are sold with out required background checks for criminals or mental illness.  
In many states you can go to a gun show right out of a mental ward of a psychiatric prison and buy a gun.
The only restriction is that you have the Cash$$$



because it's a WASTE OF TIME.....a criminal is not a criminal until caught and convicted....a mentally ill human is not
mentally ill until caught and diagnosed....

that man that just assisted his wife by teaching her to use a gun to commit suicide is now a criminal? prior to that he
was what?


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

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Gun Nuts R US!

Gun Lobbyist: Americans Should Be ‘Prepared’ To Take On Elected Officials With Guns

While the National Rife Association has remained silent about Friday’s tragic shooting in Newtown,
CT, Larry Pratt, executive director of Gun Owners of America, is arguing that Americans should
bear arms to protect themselves against an ever-expanding government and elected officials.

(This isn't self protection, it's armed rebellion against your own government, which is the REAL reason
Gun Nuts are GUN NUTS!)

~CHRIS MATTHEWS (HOST):
So you’re like Sharron Angle, out in Nevada, who said we need our Second Amendment rights to control when our politicians get out of hand.

~PRATT:
That’s our Second Amendment rights, she’s not making that up.

~MATTHEWS:
So how would you use your Second Amendment rights if you didn’t like the way your congressman or senator is representing you?

~PRATT:
By being prepared.

~MATTHEWS:
So Larry, it’s not just the right to use guns to protect your homes, it’s the right to take on your government?

~PRATT:
The government has been overboard.


This Ruby Ridge/Waco conspiracies are what is funding the NRA dollars, along with other Wing Nuts in the
militia, sovereign citizens, anti govt crazies.
They aren't "protecting their home from criminals"... They are getting ready for the coming Race War or
the Anti Govt Insurrection.







The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

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because it's a WASTE OF TIME.....a criminal is not a criminal until caught and convicted....a mentally human is not
mentally ill until caught and diagnosed....

that man that just assisted his wife by teaching her to use a gun to commit suicide is now a criminal? prior to that he
was what?


A co conspirator!


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philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

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Gun Nuts R US!

Gun Lobbyist: Americans Should Be ‘Prepared’ To Take On Elected Officials With Guns

While the National Rife Association has remained silent about Friday’s tragic shooting in Newtown,
CT, Larry Pratt, executive director of Gun Owners of America, is arguing that Americans should
bear arms to protect themselves against an ever-expanding government and elected officials.

(This isn't self protection, it's armed rebellion against your own government, which is the REAL reason
Gun Nuts are GUN NUTS!)

~CHRIS MATTHEWS (HOST):
So you’re like Sharron Angle, out in Nevada, who said we need our Second Amendment rights to control when our politicians get out of hand.

~PRATT:
That’s our Second Amendment rights, she’s not making that up.

~MATTHEWS:
So how would you use your Second Amendment rights if you didn’t like the way your congressman or senator is representing you?

~PRATT:
By being prepared.

~MATTHEWS:
So Larry, it’s not just the right to use guns to protect your homes, it’s the right to take on your government?

~PRATT:
The government has been overboard.


This Ruby Ridge/Waco conspiracies are what is funding the NRA dollars, along with other Wing Nuts in the
militia, sovereign citizens, anti govt crazies.
They aren't "protecting their home from criminals"... They are getting ready for the coming Race War or
the Anti Govt Insurrection.







and teaching young kids how to love and be a better HUMAN through fluffy red/blue/green/yellow PUPPETS isn't ?



...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

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A co conspirator!


HUSBAND AND WIFE WITH A HUMAN HISTORY BEHIND THEM


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

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40% of sales at 'gun shows' are sold with out required background checks for criminals or mental illness.  
In many states you can go to a gun show right out of a mental ward of a psychiatric prison and buy a gun.
The only restriction is that you have the Cash$$$


And just how is a gun show no matter what laws are passed going to know if someone had a mental illness?  With HIPPA laws parents can not even get information on their own children  

And what about someone with an undiagnosed "mental illness" ?

Now Box just say the stricktest gun laws are passed and no one can get any gun without a backround check etc. If someone is denied buying a gun and they are intent on using it to cause harm to someone they will get a gun/knife whatever by any means necessary.

We CANNOT legislate EVIL.
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And just how is a gun show no matter what laws are passed going to know if someone had a mental illness?  With HIPPA laws parents can not even get information on their own children  

And what about someone with an undiagnosed "mental illness" ?

Now Box just say the stricktest gun laws are passed and no one can get any gun without a backround check etc. If someone is denied buying a gun and they are intent on using it to cause harm to someone they will get a gun/knife whatever by any means necessary.

We CANNOT legislate EVIL.


I don't look at the world as "good and evil".  All men harbor some of each.
I'M NOT TRYING TO LEGISLATE EVIL... JUST THE SALE OF GUNS TO CRIMINALS AND THE MENTALLY ILL.

As the law stands now (Thanks to the NRA) it is legal to SELL a gun to a stranger with no background check
in many states.   That's why so many guns are sold at gun shows.


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

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That is the perferred weapon of police SWAT Teams.  I agree, those are the sociopaths with little penis'.


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That is the perferred weapon of police SWAT Teams.  I agree, those are the sociopaths with little penis'.


See Senders??? For some on this board, the Police ARE the ENEMY!


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Oath Keepers to Provide Teachers With Free Self-Defense and Firearms Training


Oath Keepers, a national association of over 20,000 military, police, and first responders, is offering free instruction in self defense, including the use of firearms and other tools of self-defense, to all teachers and school staff in the United States.   This initiative is in response to the recent tragic mass shooting at the Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Connecticut.   The volunteer instructors will be drawn from the member rolls of Oath Keepers in each state.   Those instructors will be paired up with any teachers and school staff in the same state who contact Oath Keepers and request instruction.

The organization pledges to keep their identity confidential, but will also offer group lessons or to come to the school to teach the staff on-site.   Topics will include crime awareness and crisis minset training on how to effectively respond (and especially focused on mass-shootings), use of blunt objects and improvised objects for self-defense, use of knives, use of pepper spray, empty-hand defensive tactics (such as are taught in military combatives), and methods of disarming an attacker who is armed with guns or knives, as well as use of firearms.  The first responders within the organization are being asked to volunteer to teach emergency first aid for serious trauma, including gunshot and knife wounds.

Oath Keepers Founder, Stewart Rhodes, issued a statement:

Children deserve to be defended.  And the teachers and staff who are responsible for children during the school day deserve to know how to defend them – effectively, decisively, and at the very outset of an attack.   And they deserve a fighting chance to defend themselves as well.  It is not enough to tell them to sit tight and wait for the police to arrive.  All too often, by the time the police get there, it is too late.

Teachers and school administrative staff need the tools and training to put a stop to the killing themselves.   We have a duty to provide that training.  Many of our members within Oath Keepers have substantial training and experience from their time in the military, police services, and service as first responders.   Many of our members also have substantial training in both armed and unarmed self-defense methods from their continued study after service, or in addition to the training received while in service.  We are calling on them to step up and volunteer their time, at no charge to the teachers and school staff, to pass on that vital, valuable knowledge.

Oath keepers is compiling a list of volunteer instructors in each state, that teachers and staff can select from.  When a teacher or staff member contacts us, we will provide them with the contact information for the volunteer instructors in their area.  They can then contact those instructors, and their identity will  be kept strictly confidential.  All instructors will sign a written confidentiality agreement to not disclose the identity of any teachers or staff who seek out instruction unless, and until they secure written permission from that particular student.   The default will be complete confidentiality and non-disclosure of the identity of those seeking training, out of respect for their privacy.

However, if a school district or school faculty desires to have group instruction, or on-site instruction, that too will be available.

Oath Keepers


"In the beginning of a change, the Patriot is a scarce man, brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a Patriot."

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See Senders??? For some on this board, the Police ARE the ENEMY!


I never said enemy, just sociopaths that feel they need M4 machine guns to police the American citizens.  

For others on the board, American citizens that never hurt a soul are the enemies and their freedoms must be regulated to help others cope with their irrational fears.  


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Oathkeepers... A militia made up of Right Wing former and present police, military and gun nuts who've sworn
to only follow the laws that they approve of.  
They are preparing for the coming insurrection that they will lead.


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
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I never said enemy, just sociopaths that feel they need M4 machine guns to police the American citizens.  


An M4 to suppress like armed criminals and terrorists.

Remember this from 1997?
"L.A. Police Outgunned In Shootout; Officers Borrowed Weapons From Store"?

http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1P2-707140.html


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