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There are 20 dead kids in Newtown Ct that might disagree with you.


like I said....the least of our worries.....those 20 kids didn't have the chance to watch the news and all the wars we
CREATE(like in their art classes I'm sure)....killing another 20-30-40 kids in other countries for their freedom to go to
a public school.....

using your logic of 20 kids deaths being A LOT for a gun , they are just a drop in the bucket....because if that number 20
is worse than the 1 human killed by a knife then you pick and choose who has value.....

some things such as human behavior will never be unraveled....bad things happen all the time...this just happened to make
the political news......


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

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10 states that suffer the highest levels of gun violence:
1. Louisiana
2. Alaska
3. Alabama
4. Arizona
5. Mississippi
6. South Carolina
7. New Mexico
8. Missouri
9. Arkansas
10. Georgia

(8 of these states are among the 25 states with the weakest gun laws)

State Average rank across 10 measures of gun violence
1 Louisiana 5.0
2 Alaska 5.2
3 Alabama 8.6
4 Arizona 10.0
5 Mississippi 10.2
6 South Carolina 11.1
7 New Mexico 11.4
8 Missouri 13.3
9 Arkansas 13.4
10 Georgia 13.9

11 Tennessee 14.1
12 Nevada 14.6
13 Montana 15.6
14 Oklahoma 17.4
15 North Carolina 17.8
16 West Virginia 19.0
17 Wyoming 19.6
18 Florida 19.6
19 Virginia 21.1
20 Indiana 21.6
21 Kentucky 23.0
22 Kansas 23.1
23 Texas 23.9
24 Colorado 25.3
25 Michigan 25.5
Rank State
Average rank
across 10 measures
of gun violence
26 Idaho 25.6
27 Pennsylvania 25.7
28 Maryland 25.9
29 Delaware 26.7
30 South Dakota 28.0
31 Ohio 29.0
32 Oregon 30.3
33 Utah 30.6
34 Washington 31.5
35 North Dakota 32.1
36 Illinois 32.2
37 Vermont 32.2
38 Wisconsin 32.4
39 New Hampshire 32.4
40 California 32.9
41 Nebraska 33.3
42 Maine 38.9
43 Minnesota 39.4
44 Rhode Island 40.3
45 Iowa 40.9
46 New York 42.1
47 New Jersey 42.2
48 Connecticut 43.1
49 Massachusetts 44.7
50 Hawaii 45.4


States in red indicate the ten states with the highest rates of gun violence.
States in green indicate the ten states with the lowest ratesof gun violence.

The 10 states rated as having the weakest gun laws, by rank, are as follows:
1. South Dakota
2. Arizona
3. Mississippi
4. Vermont
5. Louisiana
6. Montana
7. Wyoming
8. Kentucky
9. Kansas
10. Oklahoma
The 10 states ranked as having the strongest gun laws, by rank, are as follows:
1. California
2. New Jersey
3. Massachusetts
4. Connecticut
5. Hawaii
6. New York
7. Maryland
8. Illinois
9. Rhode Island
10. Michigan


http://www.americanprogress.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/AmericaUnderTheGun.pdf


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statistics are a wonderful thing, they can be manipulated to make anyones point:

Cities with the most gun deaths... All democratic nirvana's with tough gun laws.

Cities with the Highest Rates of Total Gun-Related Deaths
(per 100,000 people)
Rank      City      City Rate      Metro Rate      City/Metro Ratio
1     New Orleans 69.1 32.8      2.1
2      Detroit      41.4      14.8      2.8
3      Las Vegas      36.9      17.6      2.1
4      Miami      33.5      11.7      2.9
5      Baltimore      33.1      15.2      2.2
6      St. Louis      31.1      14.0      2.2
7      Richmond      29.9      15.7      1.9
8      Memphis      25.5      19.8      1.3
9      Cleveland      25.2      10.9      2.3
10      Philadelphia      24.3      12.4      2.0


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Quoted from 55tbird
statistics are a wonderful thing, they can be manipulated to make anyones point:

Cities with the most gun deaths... All democratic nirvana's with tough gun laws.

Cities with the Highest Rates of Total Gun-Related Deaths
(per 100,000 people)
Rank      City      City Rate      Metro Rate      City/Metro Ratio
1     New Orleans 69.1 32.8      2.1
2      Detroit      41.4      14.8      2.8
3      Las Vegas      36.9      17.6      2.1
4      Miami      33.5      11.7      2.9
5      Baltimore      33.1      15.2      2.2
6      St. Louis      31.1      14.0      2.2
7      Richmond      29.9      15.7      1.9
8      Memphis      25.5      19.8      1.3
9      Cleveland      25.2      10.9      2.3
10      Philadelphia      24.3      12.4      2.0


. All democratic nirvana's with tough gun laws?
~ New Orleans, Louisiana???  Look above... N.O. is in the #1 state for gun violence!
Louisiana is ranked #5 for "WEAKEST GUN LAWS.

~ St. Louis? Missouri is #8 for highest gun violence

~ Las Vegas? Nevada???  Nevada is 12th worse state for Gun Violence.

~ Memphis? Tennessee is 11th in gun violence.

Only Detroit and Baltimore are states with strong gun laws



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All democrap areas


"While Foreign Terrorists were plotting to murder and maim using homemade bombs in Boston, Democrap officials in Washington DC, Albany and here were busy watching ME and other law abiding American Citizens who are gun owners and taxpayers, in an effort to blame the nation's lack of security on US so that they could have a political scapegoat."
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How many kids would be alive if Adam Lanza had smaller capacity magazines???

11 children escaped as Lanza changed magazines.

If Lanza had 10 round magazines instead of 30, many more may have escaped death.


From FoxSnooze:
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National Rifle Association (NRA) CEO Wayne LaPierre on Thursday found himself
struggling to explain to Fox News host Megyn Kelly why a ban on high-capacity magazines
could not have saved some of the 20 children who were murdered in Newtown,
Connecticut last December.

After playing some video of parents of victims speaking to CBS News, Kelly noted that
they had made a “powerful” argument that “if Adam Lanza, the shooter at Newtown,
had not had 30 round magazines — if he had only had 10 rounds in these guns —
more children would have lived.”

“You hear the parents and the spouses of those killed — there were 20 children and
six adults killed,” Kelly pointed out, bringing LaPierre back to the point of high-capacity
magazines. “Eleven children had a chance to escape as that guy reloaded.
And the one man is saying there, if he had to reload five times instead of
one time, how many more lives would have been saved?”


“That is, to me, the most compelling argument,” the Fox News host added.


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The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

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“Eleven children had a chance to escape as that guy reloaded.
And the one man is saying there, if he had to reload five times instead of
one time, how many more lives would have been saved?”


Not In my school district.  They drill the children to lay on the floor quietly, not escape.  Yup, children laying on the floor ready for slaughter.  I know it's counter instinctual, but it makes them extremely compliant and ready to obey the commands of the authority.  If you can train people to resist their natural instincts for self preservation, there are no limits to what you can get them to obey.  Look at 9-11, people were told to stay in the twin towers and wait for rescue, only to die in a pile of rubble.

Don't think for yourself America, wait to be told what to do.  Your human instincts for survival and self determination are detrimental to the social order.


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How many kids would be alive if Adam Lanza had smaller capacity magazines???

11 children escaped as Lanza changed magazines.

If Lanza had 10 round magazines instead of 30, many more may have escaped death.


From FoxSnooze:


It wouldn't have mattered, the shooting didn't last 5-10 seconds it lasted almost a full 5 minutes. It takes literally 1 second to drop a mag and insert a new one. Also what difference did it make when most of the kids were stuck in a small corner of the room being executed, they had no escape, their only hope was to wait for other ARMED people to show up. If you want to play "what ifs" then maybe what if there had been a armed teacher or guard, maybe that would have gave the students a real chance at surviving.


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It wouldn't have mattered, the shooting didn't last 5-10 seconds it lasted almost a full 5 minutes. It takes literally 1 second to drop a mag and insert a new one. Also what difference did it make when most of the kids were stuck in a small corner of the room being executed, they had no escape, their only hope was to wait for other ARMED people to show up. If you want to play "what ifs" then maybe what if there had been a armed teacher or guard, maybe that would have gave the students a real chance at surviving.

Or we could play WHAT IF'S...
What if Assault Weapons had never been legal in the USA...


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Assault weapons are used in a minority of mass shootings —
but those incidents were much deadlier.
Just 12 of the mass-shooting incidents, or 28 percent, involved assault weapons or high-capacity
magazines — the very same guns that some members of Congress are now trying to ban. At the
same time, mass shootings were a lot deadlier when assault weapons and high-capacity
magazines were used,
with an average of 8.3 deaths, compared with 5.4 deaths on average
for the rest.


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Or we could play WHAT IF'S...
What if Assault Weapons had never been legal in the USA...


Then he would of had a 5 minute stabbing spree with a knife or 5 minutes to run over as many people as possible with car.......or he would have just not followed the law and bought a assault rifle off the black market, if there is a demand there is a supply, you can't stop that no matter how many laws you pass. Why is it that you think these criminals care about gun laws or make any attempt to follow them once in place?


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Or we could play WHAT IF'S...
What if Assault Weapons had never been legal in the USA...


but assault weapons were ALWAYS legal in the USA...do you carry a pocket knife? do you carry your keys in between your
fingers?

just because they are guns doesn't make the assault.....HUMANS ASSAULT OTHER HUMANS WITH ANYTHING THEY
CAN GET THEIR HANDS ON AND EVEN WITH THEIR OWN BODY PARTS......IE: RAPE


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


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WHAT IF...Public School wasn't compulsory and people could use their money to pay to send their child to a school with armed security if they choose(Obama children) or they could choose to contribute to the public schools and send their children to these shooting galleries?  No, instead, there is a national debate about restricting the second amendment for the mundane and only applying it to the government and wealthy, in order to give the illusion public schools(shooting galleries) are safe for parents to send their children to these dangerous institutions for which they are FORCED to pay.  While many in the government and the wealthy send their children to exclusive private schools, and many of these schools have armed security.


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Then he would of had a 5 minute stabbing spree with a knife or 5 minutes to run over as many people as possible with car.......or he would have just not followed the law and bought a assault rifle off the black market, if there is a demand there is a supply, you can't stop that no matter how many laws you pass. Why is it that you think these criminals care about gun laws or make any attempt to follow them once in place?


Henry just keeps making excuses... even when the FACTS prove him wrong.

Take just the Sandy Hook School Shooting...
If assault weapons were not readily available... Mrs Lanza would hot have owned one... She was not
a criminal who would buy an illegal gun on the black market.
She may have purchased some other weapon... and if 7round magazines were the only ones leagally
for sale, she would have purchased several of them, instead of the 30 round magazines...


I wonder if Henry can answer this question...
Would you rather face:
1. An armed assailant with an AR15 and 5 30 round magazines...
or
2. As you post above, an assailant armed with a knife?

For some reason when put this way... GunHuggers always run away from their own words.

Easy question, but for some reason... a difficult answer!  


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