Box never seems to get mad, like he has absolutely no ability to feel shame or anger.
I very seldom get mad or angry, and I have no reason to feel shame for anything on this board.
On the topic: A gun in the home is 22 times more likely to be used in a homicide, suicide or unintentional shooting than to kill in self defense.
~ In other words, you are safer from a homicide or unintentional shooting if you DON'T have a gun in your home. (The opposite of L4Life's view) ~ The risk of homicide in the home is three times greater in households with guns.
These are the FACTS... GunHuggers are unable or unwilling to even consider these FACTS!
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
A gun in the home is 22 times more likely to be used in a homicide, suicide or unintentional shooting than to kill in self defense.
First of all, that is a statistic presumed to be true and incontrovertible. I will disregard the value(22) and allow your premise to stand otherwise. It is possibly more likely that a gun in my home would be used in a homicide, suicide or accident than in self defense. OK. I accept that. Anyone can have an accident. That is a fact. Suicide would be my issue alone, since no person has the ability to access or otherwise use any of my weapons, other than me. And that risk of suicide assessment was performed at the time of purchase, making it a non issue at this time. Homicide and self defense are usually arguably the same thing, but defined by different people. I'm going to have to reject your premise because you included homicide in the equation. I don't believe there is as much risk of me just killing someone as there is a risk of using a weapon in self defense. If I did believe that like apparently you do, I would not have any weapons. If you truly believe that you are more likely to kill someone in your home, rather than use the weapon for self defense, you should by all means get rid of your weapons. A gun owner must be sure that he understands fully the risks of having a weapon and be absolutely sure he won't just kill someone in his home, except in self defense. If there is any doubt that you would be unable to control yourself and might commit a homicide, then absolutely do not have weapons.
With that being said, Libertarian values forbids the initiation of the use of force on others.
In other words, you are safer from a homicide or unintentional shooting if you DON'T have a gun in your home. (The opposite of L4Life's view)
I are not safer "from" a homicide without a weapon. That is absurd. Again you lump claims together that are arguable different. Obviously I am safer from an unintentional shooting without a weapon. That should not even be included in the discussion.
The risk of homicide in the home is three times greater in households with guns.
OK, Previously you assigned, homicide, suicide and accidental shooting a value of 22 times the likelihood of self defense use. Now you claim the risk of homicide is greater in homes with guns.
I can't accept this premise because you lumped together two different types of homicides in your home. You are not 3 times more likely to be a homicide victim of you have a gun.
You not me, may believe you are 3 times more likely to commit a homicide, not in self defense.
So to both parts I say no. I do not believe it. Furthermore, as I said earlier, if you feel you are likely to commit a homicide, not in self defense, you should not have weapons. You must be absolutely confident that you will not, and that you will take measures to make certain that no one else will do so either.
Let's call this the Adam Lanza's mom rule.
Summary, I agree you are more likely to have a gun accident when a gun is present. There is no way this can't be true.
Suicide is a matter considered before buying the weapon. It should not be an issue. If there is any doubt there should be no weapons.
Homicide, you are more likely to not be a victim if you have a weapon. If you fail to keep your weapon out of the hands of others, you are definitely increasing the odds that you will be a victim.
Homicide 2, if you consider that you are likely to commit a homicide other than in self defense, there should be no weapons in your home.
"In the beginning of a change, the Patriot is a scarce man, brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a Patriot."
What a whore. Some people will sell their soul for a political advantage.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
I support Assisted-Suicide Groups for those who are at end of life with terminal conditions and no prospects of recovering or with quality of life issues. Many people with 'advanced directives' have already chosen a suicide in the case that they can no longer make that decision for themselves.
I do have a problem with many suicides that are due to depression, mental illness or other conditions that leave the subject in an irrational state.
It's a classic case of the teen age boy who gets dumped by his first love and shoots himself or overdoses... Studies show that had the teen not killed himself then... he may never have attempted suicide again.
the problem lies within that person alone, I have taken care of a couple of folks who 'survived' a suicide, they should have been left to finish what they put in motion.
we make good/bad choices in life regardless of the age.
as for the teenager those are called hormones, of which I should remind you, that you support women taking to prevent the pregnancy that broke up the boy and the girl, having moved on to an abortion.
the poor boys hormones got in the way and the poor girl forgot to take her hormones.
true romeo and juliet
anti-depressants are another type of 'hormone' said to lighten ones mood out of actual events happening in their lives that they find no quality in. who are we to say what they deem quality of life?
...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......
The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.
STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS
Based on a review of the available scientific data, Dr. Lippmann and co-authors conclude that the dangers of having a gun at home far outweigh the safety benefits. Research shows that access to guns greatly increases the risk of death and firearm-related violence. A gun in the home is twelve times more likely to result in the death of a household member or visitor than an intruder.
The most common cause of deaths occurring at homes where guns are present, by far, is suicide. Many of these self-inflicted gunshot wounds appear to be impulsive acts by people without previous evidence of mental illness.
Guns in the home are also associated with a fivefold increase in the rate of intimate partner homicide, as well as an increased risk of injuries and death to children. Source: Southern Medical Association http://www.news-medical.net/ne.....elated-violence.aspx
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
Geesh you better turn in your guns box, we wouldn't want you to have an accident. You can give them to me, I promise to keep them safely stored away from those with a mental illness (liberals)
"In the beginning of a change, the Patriot is a scarce man, brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a Patriot."
Geesh you better turn in your guns box, we wouldn't want you to have an accident. You can give them to me, I promise to keep them safely stored away from those with a mental illness (liberals)
People bring a gun into their home for safety... it ends up being the cause of their death and leaves behind a lifetime of regret for the survivors.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
People bring a gun into their home for safety... it ends up being the cause of their death and leaves behind a lifetime of regret for the survivors.
again go turn yours in, you must fear your guns if you posted that
"In the beginning of a change, the Patriot is a scarce man, brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a Patriot."
"Taxpayers often bear a large percentage of these financial burdens," according to the authors. Other costs show up in the form of increased insurance premiums. Gun violence costs the U.S. criminal justice system approximately $2.4 billion per year—nearly equal to all other crimes put together.
Despite these high costs, "[F]irearms remain so much a part of our culture that gun-related violence and legal expenses are routinely accepted as a normal part of our life," Dr. Lippmann and colleagues write. "Politically, gun control remains unpopular, but raising awareness among doctors about the relationship between firearms, the rates of violence, and expenses involved may have an impact on their thinking."
In publishing the review, the editors of SMJ hope to promote a conversation within the medical profession about the health, economic, and social consequences of guns in the United States.
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A.D.H.D. Study Suggests Links Between Medication and Fewer Crimes By PAM BELLUCK Published: November 21, 2012
A large study suggests that people with serious attention deficit hyperactivity disorder are less likely to commit crimes when taking medication. Related
Well: Younger Students More Likely to Get A.D.H.D. Drugs (November 20, 2012) Health Guide: ADHD The study, published in The New England Journal of Medicine, examined records of 25,000 people in Sweden to see if those with A.D.H.D. had fewer criminal convictions when taking medication than when they were not.
Of 8,000 people whose medication use fluctuated over a three-year period, men were 32 percent less likely and women were 41 percent less likely to have criminal convictions while on medication. Patients were primarily young adults, many with a history of hospitalization. Crimes included assault, drug offenses and homicide as well as less serious crimes. Medication varied, but many took stimulants like Ritalin.
“The study adds a lot,” said Dr. Gabrielle Carlson, director of child and adolescent psychiatry at Stony Brook University medical school, who was not involved in the study. “Cutting the crime rate, that’s not trivial. Maybe it will get some help for people in jail. It gives people who were on the fence maybe a little more confidence in this treatment.”
Studies suggest that people with A.D.H.D. are more likely to commit crimes. And while people, especially boys, are often prescribed medication as children, they often resist taking it as teenagers. Studies have not shown that medication has long-term effects on symptoms.
Dr. Paul Lichtenstein, a study author and a professor at Karolinska Institute, cautioned against concluding that everyone with A.D.H.D. should be continuously medicated.
“There are pros and cons to medication,” he said. But “in young adults, the age where criminality is most common, you should consider medication because it is more harmful for these people to be involved in criminal activities. Also for prisoners and people who have left prison.”
Researchers said that correlations between medication and decreased crime held regardless of the type of medication or crime and the presence of other disorders. They tried to determine if patients stopped treatment because of criminal convictions, but found that treatment itself appeared linked to fewer crimes.
Among psychiatric experts, when, and sometimes whether, to prescribe A.D.H.D. medication is still debated. Drugs do not work for everyone, and side effects can include jittery feelings and suppressed appetite and growth.
William Pelham, director of the Center for Children and Families at Florida International University, said nondrug therapies like behavioral modification worked as well as medication in the short run. He said that the study did not prove that medication caused less criminality, and because most subjects were seriously ill adults, the results were irrelevant for most American children.
Jason Fletcher, an associate professor at the Yale School of Public Health, said that despite some weaknesses, the study provided a “very suggestive piece of evidence” supporting medication. “Because crime is so expensive, if you can reduce it, even by half of what they’re saying, you might still say this is really effective medication.”
He did wonder if medication is reducing crime or “making better criminals,” who avoid arrest. Dr. Lichtenstein deemed that unlikely. “I don’t think you would commit the crime,” he said, “and then just not get caught.”
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...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......
The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.
STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
Based on a review of .... A gun in the home is twelve times more likely to result in the death of a household member or visitor than an intruder.
This claim suggests that we should be seeing 12 people killed wrongfully, per every rightful shooting.
If that were the case, the person making these claims should easily be able to provide the names and dates of such occurrences. I don't believe this number is anything but hype and hysteria.
The most common cause of deaths occurring at homes where guns are present, by far, is suicide. Many of these self-inflicted gunshot wounds appear to be impulsive acts by people without previous evidence of mental illness.
Well that blows the mental health background checks as a solution, theory, all to hell.
Guns in the home are also associated with a fivefold increase in the rate of intimate partner homicide, as well as an increased risk of injuries and death to children.
There will always be people who can't get along.
The spousal deaths occur without guns being present.
Injuries and death to children are caused by irresponsible gun owners, who should be held accountable.
This claim suggests that we should be seeing 12 people killed wrongfully, per every rightful shooting. If that were the case, the person making these claims should easily be able to provide the names and dates of such occurrences. I don't believe this number is anything but hype and hysteria.
L4Life rejects any data that doesn't fit his agenda, and embraces any data that does. FACTS don't interest him, unless they support his view. No surprise there!
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
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